France "must learn to live with terrorism" -French Prime Minister

Security services are already doing all they can. .

http://www.itv.com/news/update/2016-07-15/french-pm-france-is-at-war-with-terrorists/

"Times have changed and we should learn to live with terrorism. We have to show solidarity and collective calm. France has been hit in its soul on the 14 July, our national day."

How can this guy be fucxing serious??

Has he just handed the country over to Front Nationale?

Why aren't Romania and Poland experiencing terrorist attacks?

UK, France, Germany, Sweden, Spain, Italy, Bulgaria, Belgium, Denmark, Bosnia, Albania, Russia and Turkey all have experienced at least one terrorist attack.

Spot the pattern emerging here. Also, look at this list - same countries time and time again:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism_in_the_European_Union

No they are not, and the people saying this are the members of the the Commission of Enquiry into last year's atrocities.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-36711604

Why are you apologising for ISIS?

It does not have to be the cause to stop it having an impact. The terrorists that committed previously atrocities had easily travelled all around Europe, including to Brussels in Belgium, to coordinate an attack. Are you suggesting it would be just as easy for them without Schengen? Such idiocy. Go and try taking a load of armed ammunition into Romania in the back of a white van and see how far you get. Every time I've driven into Romania I've had dogs sniffing my car for drugs and weapons. Can you tell me of an Islamic terrorist attack on Romanian soil please?

If France basically enforces a military police state it can keep people out.

If raiding Mosques opens up Muslims to extremism then there's quite clearly a massive problem there. If a country protecting its own interests is enough to push you to extremism against it then the problem is you, not the country.

I know, but heightened security and tighter border controls will also help. It needs to be a multi pronged approach.

The EU's free movement most definitely has played a part in terrorists moving freely around the continent and coordinating attacks.

If it didn't, why did France call to suspend Schengen? http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/france/11998301/Paris-attacks-France-to-call-for-effective-suspension-of-Schengen-open-borders.html

Why do EU ministers admit it? http://www.euractiv.com/section/justice-home-affairs/news/paris-attacks-show-flawed-use-of-schengen-rules-ministers-confess/

Extra security will stop attacks occurring because security is not just more people on the ground but the measures taken at a higher level to stop the threat.

Well, if he's Muslim than I think that is what many right-wingers expect of him.

Because they arent frontline nations and they arent busy bombing the crap out of ISIS. Much more impact if the developed western nations are attacked rather than Romania, although I cna understand why you think its important....

Essentially. That map shows three distinct groups - the immediate entry into the middle east, the portion of Western Europe that is participating in the bombings on Iraq and Syria, and the others. Not really surprising that those closest and the major opposers of the terrorist groups are attacked most frequently.

What next? Women must learn to live with being raped by horny economic migrants?

http://www.itv.com/news/update/2016-07-15/french-pm-france-is-at-war-with-terrorists/

"Times have changed and we should learn to live with terrorism. We have to show solidarity and collective calm. France has been hit in its soul on the 14 July, our national day."

How can this guy be fucxing serious??

Has he just handed the country over to Front Nationale?

Nonsense. France, like every other country will always face an external threat, but unlike other countries now faces an internal threat. Why haven't Islamists blown other parts of Europe, like Poland, to bits then? Maybe because their ******** would not be tolerated internally and the Polish people would not pander to their ridiculous demands.



1) Leave the EU, EEA and Schengen Area
2) Enforce strict border controls with military level checks at the point of entry
3) Raids on Mosques to root out extremist hubs and the closing down of faith schools
4) Raids on known terrorist targets within France and use it as a reason to export them if they are not French nationals
5) Introduction of deradicalisation facilities throughout the country
6) Put in place a new counter terrorism plan with higher security presence in key public places

So, there's a lot of things France can do in an attempt to combat terrorism. The notion that it must learn to live with it is ****ing ridiculous.

Essentially. That map shows three distinct groups - the immediate entry into the middle east, the portion of Western Europe that is participating in the bombings on Iraq and Syria, and the others. Not really surprising that those closest and the major opposers of the terrorist groups are attacked most frequently.

Okay but they could put all that money into improving that and there would still be attacks. Security services can't stop every attack.

I'm not by any stretch of the imagination; I'm pointing out that the knee jerk policies are at best ineffective, at worst counterproductive.



Not having an open border isn't going to stop attacks - as demonstrated by the numerous attacks on America, 7/7 here, the troubles Turkey has faced... What has opened France up is a substandard intelligence service, not having an open border.



Ignoring that the French more than most have reasons to oppose a military state, the underground counter culture and rebellions still exist in a police state.



If that protection involves victimising you, treating you as an suspect and guilty until proven innocent and disrupting your life based on nothing more than some adherents of the same religion being utter ***** then the problem is hardly with you.





Hollande wanted to close it, in somewhat of a horse already bolted approach, to try and stop them perpetrators disappearing, hence why he wanted a code that would allow emergency shutdown in response to intelligence. It's not that free movement is enabling attacks, it's utilising all of the EU to catch those that do attack.



That's about the external borders and allowing deeper checks on EU citizens arriving from a third country, not internal movement as such.



You talked about extra security in public places, not a stronger intelligence service as a whole.



I'm not, so that's a bit of a pointless assumption.

You have to take into account the poster putting forward what they think is a rational argument. Doubt they even believe it themselves.

Any nation that is not stupid would implement the above, they will not do so however, as they are so weak.

European countries with more Muslims:

- higher incidence of terrorist attacks
- higher incidence of sexual harassment
- higher incidence of rape
- higher incidence of civil disobedience

These are just the statistical facts but of course its all down to foreign policy.

As to admit to these facts would mean that they would have to admit that they were wrong regarding immigration, so they must blame something else.