Man stabs 4 women for dressing immodestly in France

Please reiterate what your alternative is, because I must have missed it

Since when is criticism hate speech? There's a huge difference educate yourself on it.

I'm a xenophobe? Oh dear I'm going to cry myself to sleep now! I'm going to just show how xenophobic I am now

@loveleest @YaliaV @Josb @Good bloke @TercioOfParma @The_Opinion Guys can you please give me examples of when I've been xenophobic? This deluded idiot thinks I'm one.

don't bother answering - we can continue the discussion without feeding uselessly offensive and insulting trolls

in fact, criticising Islam has the same intellectual dignity and purpose implied by criticism of communism, or of Christianity, or of any other ideology which has a social and political dimension

there are millions and millions of Christians (and even quite a few communists, still). Should we stop criticising Stalin's crimes, or the Inquisition, or even just the Castro brothers, just because some of our co-citizens might be offended ?

agreed, Islamic terrorism in the West actively involves a small minority of Muslims only (some more may agree with it, or avoid explicit condemnation, but are not willing to act) - but violent Islam (in different forms) is present in many, many countries. So, discussing and criticising Islam is perfectly appropriate

It is absurd to claim that we should stop criticising Islam for what we perceive as being its dark elements, which do pose a threat to our democratic, secular societies. And, in fact, it's not only about violence and terrorism : it's about many, many other points

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Then didn't say hopefully, I did, probably could have worded it a bit more clearly, I was paraphrasing with commentary. You should read the article, it's laughable reasoning that their sheep can parrot off when presented with the facts.

I'd also point out that the demographic energy need only exist for a generation or two anyway for them to reach a majority by 2050, hence why it's so close. So it wouldn't matter if they stop having as many children after a few generations away, which they probably wont.

It's a fertility Jihad and it has been done many times before with great success by Muslims, they have children at younger ages and they have more of them. By the time a an average European of today becomes mother of her 1 child the Muslim equivalent is a mother of 3 and a grandmother of 9.

A good way to tackle this would be to make it a condition of immigration to the UK that they cannot move to an area which has a large Islamic population, thus discouraging the further growth of ghettos.

there are many elements in Islam which I oppose (too many to list them here). This has absolutely nothing to do with hating Muslims, or Arabs, or South Asians

A good way to tackle this would be to make it a condition of immigration to the UK that they cannot move to an area which has a large Islamic population, thus discouraging the further growth of ghettos.

As for their fertility, for the ones who are already here we should compel their religious schools to follow all secular standards so that their children are more likely to convert to sanity and integrate with the majority culture.

meanwhile 300 Muslims die in Baghdad because of terrorism, but you're getting all teary about something as small as this? certainly just because it fits your islamphobic (note I say islamphobic as fear of Islam, not islamophobia) agenda.

This happened over 2 weeks ago and there were multiple threads on it. Why is it relevant to this particular thread? How can you accuse OP of being 'Islamophobic' for simply informing us of the event?

Actually I think changing the test for settling in the UK would be better. Currently it asks questions like what day is saint Patrick's day (who cares) and should instead ask questions on more British values like do you consider men equal to women, should we stone homosexuals, is it ok to smoke pot, etc. You should also have to have decent standard of English and education (or should receive standard education and get qualifications that enable you to get a job).

I also think faith schools should be banned, and that these after school religious colleges should be banned. I have Muslim friends who spent 4-9 everyday at Islamic faith colleges and most of the weekend too. And it wasn't voluntary.

And personally I don't think you should be allowed to wear religious dress like the niqab until you are 16 or 18 when you are old enough to make these choices for yourself.

There should also be MUCH better religious education in schools and open debate should be encouraged. In science our teachers had to be extremely careful teaching evolution in case they offended anyone who believes otherwise. Get real, england.

As long as my village isn't on the list of possible locations

A good way to decide who to allow in could be asking them to draw Muhammed. If they refuse, they take their religion too seriously, and might hold on to dangerous ideas.

Only a small percentage of Muslims may be violent, but it's clear that "extremists" aren't all that rare and even many "moderate" Muslims here are in favour of Sharia Law. I think Islam is barbaric and it belongs in the distant past.

This happened over 2 weeks ago and there were multiple threads on it. Why is it relevant to this particular thread? How can you accuse OP of being 'Islamophobic' for simply informing us of the event?
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I agree. Honestly, the cries of racism/xenophobia just means that he is not willing to address the rational argument. Labelling someone like that means that the person automatically "wins" the argument, whether the label is warranted or not.Now Muslims are a protected class that can't be criticised - that's very dangerous indeed. Only a small percentage of Muslims may be violent, but it's clear that "extremists" aren't all that rare and even many "moderate" Muslims here are in favour of Sharia Law. I think Islam is barbaric and it belongs in the distant past.

You're another of the TSR Islam bashers, when I saw NickLCFC quoting me I can't tell you I expected anything other than this.

And what exactly is the problem with 'bashing' Islam?

So informing people about a stabbing in France is Islamophobic? Great logic there

And what is wrong with reminding people of the threat that Islamic terrorism poses to Western society? And it's bigoted to tell people the name of an attacker?

According to the FBI, 94% of terrorist attacks carried out in the United States from 1980 to 2005 have been by non-Muslims. This means that an American terrorist suspect is over nine times more likely to be a non-Muslim than a Muslim.

According to this data, there were more Jewish acts of terrorism within the United States than Islamic (7% vs 6%). These radical Jews committed acts of terrorism in the name of their religion. These were not terrorists who happened to be Jews; rather, they were extremist Jews who committed acts of terrorism based on their religious passions, just like Al-Qaeda and company.

In the context of terror attacks, its unwarranted, as with almost every single case of foreign nationals committing these atrocities, they are binge-drinkers / drug-users and generally irreligious - but Islam is still to blame apparently. Their actual motive can be sourced to hatred which derives from conflict and corruption - both of which are ripe in the Middle East.

Alongside the fact that going around hating on Islam by yelling "religion of peace" and striking off women's burkas is actually encouraging Muslims to feel segregated and therefore become radicalised.