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Original post by jneill
Applied Criminology and Police Management ?
Creative Writing ?
Understanding Shakespeare through Performance ?
Entrepreneurship ?
Polar Studies ? (@Snufkin :wink: )
Real Estate ?

All courses at Cambridge

Diplomatic studies ?
Cyber Security ?
Film Aesthetics ?
International Wildlife Conservation Practice ?
Mindfulness Based Cognitive Therapy ?

Oxford.


That's highly inaccurate as the entire thread appears to be based on Bachelor degrees, those subjects at Cambridge are all Master/Doctorate degrees, The mindfulness one is only a short-term course. A Master/Doctorate subject would/should be more specific and less traditional as you are specialising in it

Thus the traditional point still stands:
Traditional BACHELORS -----> LESS TRADITIONAL MASTERS/PHD
PPE -> Diplomatic Studies
Computer Science --> Cyber Security
Biology/Natural Sciences --> IWCP
Original post by jneill
Yes, vocational degrees are pointless. Like medicine.


Medicine certainly isn't "vocational" in the new sense of the word otherwise why would you need a-levels to get on it and not NVQ's or BTEC? What degree is gained at the end of the study? Bachelor of Medicine, Bachelor of Surgery, NOT NVQ level 7 or whatever. Nope sorry, medicine is still a traditional academic subject
Original post by jneill
Applied Criminology and Police Management ?
Creative Writing ?
Understanding Shakespeare through Performance ?
Entrepreneurship ?
Polar Studies ? (@Snufkin :wink: )
Real Estate ?

All courses at Cambridge

Diplomatic studies ?
Cyber Security ?
Film Aesthetics ?
International Wildlife Conservation Practice ?
Mindfulness Based Cognitive Therapy ?

Oxford.


Why are you bringing up postgraduate studies on a thread that is clearly about bachelors/ first degrees? Its pretty obvious thats what I was referring to because no masters degree costs £27,000+
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medical_degree
"A medical degree is a vocational, or even technical, degree awarded for studies in fields associated with medicine and surgery. "

I think you'll struggle to find anyone who would agree with you that medicine is not vocational.
Original post by Abstract_Prism
Lemme guess

Durham?


Guess again :wink:

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http://wwwf.imperial.ac.uk/business-school/programmes/full-time-mba/
£45k for a 12 month course
Original post by PQ


Thats not Oxbridge, is it? In any case it doesnt matter because the context of this thread and my subsequent conversation refers to undergraduate degrees only anyway.
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Original post by PQ
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medical_degree
"A medical degree is a vocational, or even technical, degree awarded for studies in fields associated with medicine and surgery. "

I think you'll struggle to find anyone who would agree with you that medicine is not vocational.


Lol at using Wikipedia as a source. Medicine is clearly an academically demanding subject itherwise why else would you need 3 A's in science subject a-levels to get admitted onto it?
Vet Med - vocational. Also undergrad. Also Cambridge.
Management Studies - also undergrad. Also Cambridge.
Architecture - vocational. Also undergrad. Also Cambridge.
Fine Art - (not History of Art - which you would say is "academic") undergrad. Oxford.
Try editing the wikipedia article to say it isn't vocational and see how long the edit stays up :smile:

You're conflating "popular and needing a way to filter demand" with "these grades are necessary to succeed on the course". Plenty of people qualify as doctors through WP routes that don't require 3 As in science (and 3 As in science A levels isn't a requirement for most medical degrees - IIRR only one college in Cambridge has a requirement for 3 science A levels).
Original post by PQ


£51k at Cambridge. £52k at Oxford :smile:
So much for my university plans - this is just depressing... Caught between wanting to go to a good uni in the UK and the desire not to be so much in debt for my future working career...
Original post by JenniMusic
So much for my university plans - this is just depressing... Caught between wanting to go to a good uni in the UK and the desire not to be so much in debt for my future working career...


Did you read all the posts about the loans also increasing, and that you don't repay anything until you earn enough?

Also, the "good" universities will cost exactly the same as the "less good".
Original post by jneill
£51k at Cambridge. £52k at Oxford :smile:


http://www.arts.ac.uk/fashion/courses/postgraduate/emba-fashion/
£27k
http://www.southampton.ac.uk/wsa/postgraduate/taught_courses/ma_luxury_brand_management.page
£18.5k
http://www.cass.city.ac.uk/mba/full-time-mba/fees-and-funding
£40k
http://www.cass.city.ac.uk/courses/masters/courses/actuarial-management#courses-details=5
£20k
http://www.law.qmul.ac.uk/postgraduate/courses/items/166658.html
£28k (2 year course - not clear if tuition fee covers both years or is a pa fee)
http://www2.warwick.ac.uk/fac/sci/psych/study/bes/
£21k
http://www2.warwick.ac.uk/fac/med/study/cpd/dentistry/therapy/
£12.6k (for a part time course)

[it's very interesting looking at which courses universities charge a premium fee for....]
Original post by jneill
Vet Med - vocational. Also undergrad. Also Cambridge.
Management Studies - also undergrad. Also Cambridge.
Architecture - vocational. Also undergrad. Also Cambridge.
Fine Art - (not History of Art - which you would say is "academic":wink: undergrad. Oxford.


Management studies is only a 1 year course and can only be taken by students already studying at Cambridge therefore it can't be considered a degree in it's own right

Vet Med and Architecture are STEM subjects and again, contain material of considerable academic difficulty.

Fine Art isn't offered at Cambridge though. Although music is offered at both.
Original post by PQ
Try editing the wikipedia article to say it isn't vocational and see how long the edit stays up :smile:

You're conflating "popular and needing a way to filter demand" with "these grades are necessary to succeed on the course". Plenty of people qualify as doctors through WP routes that don't require 3 As in science (and 3 As in science A levels isn't a requirement for most medical degrees - IIRR only one college in Cambridge has a requirement for 3 science A levels).


Wikipedia itself says you should not trust it, here is the link to the webpage stating that if you don't believe me

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Ten_things_you_may_not_know_about_Wikipedia#We_do_not_expect_you_to_trust_us

If the source you're quoting from tells you itself you shouldn't trust it then I wouldn't be using it as a reliable source

You still need at least two for all but one medical school and in any case those are just minimum requirements. Cambridge published statistics saying that those with only two science a-levels were considerably less likely to be accepted onto medicine than those offering three science a-levels. So whilst three science a-levels is not 'officially' required it is de-facto required due to the level of competition around. It's like looking at the minimum GCSE requirements for medicine and concluding that you will be fine getting all B's and C's when in reality most medical school applicants have at least 6 A*'s at GCSE.
Original post by jneill
Did you read all the posts about the loans also increasing, and that you don't repay anything until you earn enough?

Also, the "good" universities will cost exactly the same as the "less good".


Yes, that's always a relief.University seems so confusing to me, I still don't know what subject I'm interested in taking let alone where to go (2018 entry)...
Original post by JenniMusic
Yes, that's always a relief.University seems so confusing to me, I still don't know what subject I'm interested in taking let alone where to go (2018 entry)...


Most people don't know yet either. Plenty of time before you even need to start thinking about it. :smile:
FIne Art is Oxford - I stated that.

Also re Medicine not being vocational, and you not trusting Wiki when it says it is

Here's a different source:
"Medicine is a vocational degree"
https://www.prospects.ac.uk/careers-advice/what-can-i-do-with-my-degree/medicine
Original post by stevey396
I know - but this is just the beginning. In a few years time unis will be able to set fees based on a tiered system, therefore creating a level of healthy and much needed competition.

Then hopefully once this is a success, all government regulations on fees will be completely abolished and unis will be able to charge however much they want - the higher the better I say.


But thats competition over how much money the students parents have, not how high their grades are
Snob.


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