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Losing my faith? Please read!

Hi

I have made a throwaway account to ask a couple of questions (Will be making more threads). I feel as if I am losing my faith and am now stepping away from Islam. I know the student room isn't the best place to be looking for advice but it would help to get other opinions from this forum, muslim forums, imams, converting/ reverting muslims and people who have left the religion. If you wish to tag anyone in this thread who could be of help please do.

I want everyone to be respectful and not troll on this thread. I am looking for help and will be open minded about this.

I was born into a muslim household which is not overly religious. I would say we are more cultural muslims. At the age of 12 (I am currently 18) I knew nothing about religion. One day in school a group of muslims talked about the Dajjal and I started researching it. I got really scared! I started researching it and the links with christanity and started praying out of the fear of Allah swt / God. A couple of weeks later I stopped because I was no longer frightened. I didn't pray then for 3 years. I fasted (this wasn't forced upon me, but I thought it would look bad if I didn't). Some of my cousins in Pakistan don't fast. I live in England. In the summer when I was 15 I started falling in love with the religion again. I used to watch many talks, pray etc and did for 2 years. Now when I was 17 I started going through hard times. I started questioning everything I knew and lost confidence in myself. I even lost the will to live. After a long period of trying to better myself I now feel like the person I was before. However I now have serious doubts about Islam and might just leave the religion. Like I mentioned above I will not do so lighly. I will see an Imam, talk to my parents , get a range of opinions etc etc.

Like some of the threads I have read here before I am blessed I have a family who won't kick me out of the house or do anything crazy. It is not like that they pray 5 times. I just don't know if I should leave the religion or not. Here is what I like about the religion and what I dislike.

Hope in Afterlife, a set code to live by liking giving money to poor (zakhat), praying (provides good mediation and cleaning of the the body), Interesting lessons from the Quran. Now here are some of the bad things. It seems incredibly outdated. Women are not treated equally and are treated like second class citizens. They need a mahram and are not considered as smart. They have less value compared to a man even stated in the Quran. Note I am a male and have not read the Quran but I have read about stuff like Dajjal, the stories of the prophets like how moses pbuh even commited murder and then sorted his ways, the escort who gave milk to a cat who was granted heaven etc. I have not read the Quran as it is in Arabic and even If I read it I won't be able to translate it. Why has Allah swt made it so hard and all religions claim they are the true 'one'. How is it possible for the average being to learn hebrew, sanskrit etc and read the books. Religion just seems so flawed.

I am not a troll and will look forward to a good discussion. I will try wrap up this thread up as quick as possible. Please do not troll or flame in this thread and be open minded in these discussion. I look forward to see other view points and I will post more as I don't want this to be too long.


Edit: Thank you for all your contributions I appreciate every single post. Here is another thread made by me this is more to do with studying http://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/showthread.php?t=4222494&p=66542936#post66542936. If you could give it a look?
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Reply 1
bump?
@h333 any advice? You're pious. Im bad at advice
Reply 3
Original post by PrincessBO$$
@h333 any advice? You're pious. Im bad at advice


Well I see you post quite a lot how about your prospective. If i remember your posts you are a female. How do you feel like being treated a second class citizen.
Original post by uh5rc
Well I see you post quite a lot how about your prospective. If i remember your posts you are a female. How do you feel like being treated a second class citizen.


err what do you mean? :redface:
Reply 5
Can we take it to PMs? It's just that I cba debating with others.

inb4 non Muslims 'You can't stand having your views challenged'

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(edited 7 years ago)
Reply 6
Original post by HAnwar
Can we take it to PMs? It's just that I cba debating with others.

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Sure message me what you think but I think it would be beneficial if you posted it here. The more people you guide the better the surely? However whatever floats your boat :smile: I was trying to get a big discussion going so if others experience the same thing they know what to do.
Reply 7
Original post by PrincessBO$$
err what do you mean? :redface:


uhm do you walk around with a Mahram? Would you like one? How do you feel about free mixing? Do you think women should be fully covered? I saw a thread earliar where a muslim sister was talking about how her dad would throw abuse at her over clothing? What's wrong with like showing your arms? Do you not think the religion is outdated? Another example from the student room alone is student finance and the riba invovled. Everything in this world revovles around riba. These Islamic mortages are also a fraud with their fees. I have even heard people say becoming a investment banker and accountant is wrong. Now I am not fully aware of what investment bankers do but accountants? really how is that wrong?
Original post by uh5rc
uhm do you walk around with a Mahram? Would you like one? How do you feel about free mixing? Do you think women should be fully covered? I saw a thread earliar where a muslim sister was talking about how her dad would throw abuse at her over clothing? What's wrong with like showing your arms? Do you not think the religion is outdated?


That's rude. you called her a second class citizen in your last post.

Original post by uh5rc
I saw a thread earliar where a muslim sister was talking about how her dad would throw abuse at her over clothing? What's wrong with like showing your arms? Do you not think the religion is outdated?


Don't base your view on anecdotes that may have questionable reliability on TSR. It won't help.


Original post by uh5rc
Another example from the student room alone is student finance and the riba invovled. Everything in this world revovles around riba. These Islamic mortages are also a fraud with their fees. I have even heard people say becoming a investment banker and accountant is wrong. Now I am not fully aware of what investment bankers do but accountants? really how is that wrong?


You can't live a life that isn't sinful in the least, all you can do is improve yourself.
Original post by uh5rc
uhm do you walk around with a Mahram? Would you like one? How do you feel about free mixing? Do you think women should be fully covered? I saw a thread earliar where a muslim sister was talking about how her dad would throw abuse at her over clothing? What's wrong with like showing your arms? Do you not think the religion is outdated? Another example from the student room alone is student finance and the riba invovled. Everything in this world revovles around riba. These Islamic mortages are also a fraud with their fees. I have even heard people say becoming a investment banker and accountant is wrong. Now I am not fully aware of what investment bankers do but accountants? really how is that wrong?


-It is impossible for me to ALWAYS walk around with a Mahram
-I have no problems with free mixing.
-It is the women choice to decide whether she should be covered or not.
The Quran says
'O Prophet! Say to your wives and your daughters and the women of the faithful to draw their outergarments (jilbabs) close around themselves'
Each women interprets the aya differently. Some wear turbans other wear niqab
-There is nothing wrong with showing your arms.
-I dont think the religion is outdated. Some people are too extreme with it like wahhabis or ISIS
-Some scholars say you should try your best to avoid riba like dont take out loans you cannot pay.
-I have 3 cousins that are accountants. WTF is wrong with it? Your dealing with haram money. Well the money you have in your pockets could have been used by drug dealers and so it must be haram!

I DONT SEE THE PROBLEM SORRY FOR MY IGNORANCE! :erm:
Reply 10
Salaam/Hello

I am very sorry to hear what you are going through. I will advice yout to see a knowledgable/pious Muslim in real life eg maybe at a local mosque (an imam). As these situations can be dealt with better in person I believe Insha'Allah.

As HAnwar said PM would the better option insha'Allah. But I would like you to also post on may be the ISOC about any questions and the brothers there insha'Allah will be able to help or you can ask the brothers to PM you too.

On regards to women (female myself) though I would like you to read this.

Rights of women in Islam:
https://islamqa.info/en/70042

Does Islam regard men and women as equal?
https://islamqa.info/en/1105

May Allah guide you to the right path. Ameen.
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Reply 11
Original post by mercuryman
That's rude. you called her a second class citizen in your last post.



Don't base your view on anecdotes that may have questionable reliability on TSR. It won't help.




You can't live a life that isn't sinful in the least, all you can do is improve yourself.



Sorry if I sounded rude. I am just trying to get a range of responses and get a discussion going. If Islam is the true religion of peace then you surely must gave some answers. Even I know some good about women daughters such as they bring their own 'risque' in this world or so I have heard.

I told you before I am not basing my decision on the student room. I will see an Imam, other religious websites, reverts/converts and why other people have left. Talking about Imams there was one at my local small mosque around a year and half who said Christmas is a waste of time how we shouldn't say merry christmas, how we shouldn't go to the christmas sales lmao... How do you feel about these people? I know he isn't a great example because he even lies about stuff in Islam. He talsk about how if you don't celebrate the prophet Muhammad's pbuh birthday you can't enter the 7th floor of Jannah. I stopped going to this small mosque and now go to a bigger one/ better one. Some imams are really good and really offer good perspective and advice.


I agree with your last point I guess we all make mistakes. Why do we make mistakes though? Why are we tested?
Original post by HAnwar
Can we take it to PMs? It's just that I cba debating with others.

inb4 non Muslims 'You can't stand having your views challenged'

Posted from TSR Mobile


Might be better if you publicly offered advice as it may help other people going through similar situations.

Sincerely your local atheist.
AKA: The kaffir who apparently says "Muslims cant stand having their views challenged"
Reply 13
Original post by PrincessBO$$
@h333 any advice? You're pious. Im bad at advice


Thanks for the tag.. May Allah forgive me.Ameen. insha'Allah I am trying striving to improve and strengthen my imaan.
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Reply 14
Original post by PrincessBO$$
-It is impossible for me to ALWAYS walk around with a Mahram
-I have no problems with free mixing.
-It is the women choice to decide whether she should be covered or not.
The Quran says
'O Prophet! Say to your wives and your daughters and the women of the faithful to draw their outergarments (jilbabs) close around themselves'
Each women interprets the aya differently. Some wear turbans other wear niqab
-There is nothing wrong with showing your arms.
-I dont think the religion is outdated. Some people are too extreme with it like wahhabis or ISIS
-Some scholars say you should try your best to avoid riba like dont take out loans you cannot pay.
-I have 3 cousins that are accountants. WTF is wrong with it? Your dealing with haram money. Well the money you have in your pockets could have been used by drug dealers and so it must be haram!

I DONT SEE THE PROBLEM SORRY FOR MY IGNORANCE! :erm:



I agree with most things you say. It is impossible to always have a mahram so the Quran is outdates? Doesn't the Quran talk about how you need to be fully clothed the Niqab and Burka? Do you agree with the Niqab and Burka? The prophet Muhammad (pbuh) was married to Khadija I think which was his first wife. Wasn't she a great businesswomen? Do you think/ know wore this? I think you can be modestly while still showing your arms. What do you mean by too extreme? They probably think you are too liberal? Everyone thinks they are doing the right thing. No one says yes I am such an evil person hahah. Even shatan had pride and thinks what he is doing is currently correct. Well accountants record interest? Doesn't the Quran talk about whoever takes or records interests is equally bad? How about auditing alcholol and nicotine products.

I am typing this really quickly so sorry for grammar and spelling mistakes. I am trying to respond to many pms and other posts. I am sorry if I come across as negative. I see good things in Islam too like helping the poor etc. Killing one innocent person is like killing the whole of mankind and saving someone person is like saving all of mankind. I also enjoyed praying the Eid namaz with family and fellow brothers. Hugging and celebrating with strangers but having something in common. How is the floor of the masjid it doesn't matter about your race and skin colour. How it doesn't matter how rich you are. I see the good points but I also see the bad points?

Doesn't the Quran ask us to question it? The sad thing nowadays is that there is a taboo against asking questions. Everyone jumps on the haram brigade. I see so many people claiming islam is the true religion. If it is it should be your duty to help everyone and explain to us.
Original post by uh5rc
Sorry if I sounded rude. I am just trying to get a range of responses and get a discussion going. If Islam is the true religion of peace then you surely must gave some answers. Even I know some good about women daughters such as they bring their own 'risque' in this world or so I have heard.


I told you before I am not basing my decision on the student room. I will see an Imam, other religious websites, reverts/converts and why other people have left. Talking about Imams there was one at my local small mosque around a year and half who said Christmas is a waste of time how we shouldn't say merry christmas, how we shouldn't go to the christmas sales lmao... How do you feel about these people? I know he isn't a great example because he even lies about stuff in Islam.

Original post by uh5rc
He talsk about how if you don't celebrate the prophet Muhammad's pbuh birthday you can't enter the 7th floor of Jannah.


He's pulling facts up his nose, you don't do that in islam. Birthdays are really not to be celebrated (muslims do it, but who cares its not really a big deal anyway)

Original post by uh5rc
I stopped going to this small mosque and now go to a bigger one/ better one. Some imams are really good and really offer good perspective and advice.


Good, he seemed like a dodgy imam to begin with. can't go to Christmas sales? LOL No wonder you're lost mate. I think the problem you have is that you can't think logically for yourself and you rely on the opinions of others (like that dodgy imam). If what he said sounded like absolute rubbish, you should go out and research the topic for yourself using multiple sources.


Original post by uh5rc
I agree with your last point I guess we all make mistakes. Why do we make mistakes though? Why are we tested?


god made us imperfect beings to begin with, its natural to sin. That's why you get forgiven for 99% of the minor sins you commit.
Reply 16
Original post by mercuryman
I told you before I am not basing my decision on the student room. I will see an Imam, other religious websites, reverts/converts and why other people have left. Talking about Imams there was one at my local small mosque around a year and half who said Christmas is a waste of time how we shouldn't say merry christmas, how we shouldn't go to the christmas sales lmao... How do you feel about these people? I know he isn't a great example because he even lies about stuff in Islam.



He's pulling facts up his nose, you don't do that in islam. Birthdays are really not to be celebrated (muslims do it, but who cares its not really a big deal anyway)



Good, he seemed like a dodgy imam to begin with. can't go to Christmas sales? LOL No wonder you're lost mate. I think the problem you have is that you can't think logically for yourself and you rely on the opinions of others (like that dodgy imam). If what he said sounded like absolute rubbish, you should go out and research the topic for yourself using multiple sources.




god made us imperfect beings to begin with, its natural to sin. That's why you get forgiven for 99% of the minor sins you commit.



What about Shirk.. That is considered the unforgivable. If Allah swt is all forgiving why wouldn't forgive that. He forgives murder... Doesn't that make you think he is a little egoistic? I saw this question on Dr Zaik Naik show and he didn't even answer it properly. I have lost all respect for that man. Nouman Ali Khan is a amazing public speaker.
Reply 17
Original post by Cobalt_
Might be better if you publicly offered advice as it may help other people going through similar situations.

Sincerely your local atheist.
AKA: The kaffir who apparently says "Muslims cant stand having their views challenged"


Hope this thread helps you too :smile:
Original post by uh5rc
Hope this thread helps you too :smile:


I'm an atheist lol.
I was just making a point. People love to blame the victim when others generalise islam but its perfectly fine to do that with non muslims I see. That and the fact that this is a forum, advice should be public so others can benefit from it regardless of what someone may say (which they have every right to, freedom of speech and all that jazz).
Reply 19
Original post by Cobalt_
I'm an atheist lol.
I was just making a point. People love to blame the victim when others generalise islam but its perfectly fine to do that with non muslims I see. That and the fact that this is a forum, advice should be public so others can benefit from it regardless of what someone may say (which they have every right to, freedom of speech and all that jazz).



Thats not my point atheist are welcome too. If you think religion is a watse you could save someone so much time. Think of this as a a healthy debate.

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