The breast paradox

I don't think it's a binary issue. I don't think it's a question with a yes or no answer - and that's not fudging it - that's just how most things are.

If you asked me to frame it, I'd say this:

1. Boobs aren't always sexual, but they usually are.

2. Don't snap girls bra straps without a good reason.

My point in the OP thought is that the aim of the "free the nipple" campaign is to desexualise the nipple.

"Free the nipple" campaign is so stupid.

Women who want to free to the nipple dont seem to realise that their nipples being "locked up" is for their own good.

Feminists decry men for their perviness, lecherousness and rapiness, but if it was ok for women to be topless in public, sexual harrassment of women would just increase lol - I mean if a women can be sexually harrassed just for wearing a mini-skirt, imagine what would happen if she had her tits out

I do not understand how men can walk around topless and women cannot. What is the logic there?

Twanging someone's bra strap and telling women to cover up their nipples (when men don't have to) are, in my view, two actions resulting from the same (sexist) attitude: the idea that women's bodies in the public space are somehow always someone else's property, waiting to be regulated, commented on, or touched. It's about claiming ownership of your own body. No, I don't think female nipples should be seen as something inherently sexual. At the same time, I would feel humiliated if a random person twanged my bra strap, because they would be unwantedly encroaching on my personal space, thereby implicitly asserting that decisions about my own body are not mine to make. Twanging a woman's bra strap, and telling her to cover up, are both ways of putting her in her place.

Hence, I don't think there's a paradox at all.

The sort of idiots that twang someone's bra would also likely go up to smaller guys and hassle them. It's not sexist, it's maybe size-ist. As for the sexualisation of breasts, I always find it ridiculous when women complain about it. Firstly there is an innate attraction to breasts in a sexual regard, people don't choose to find breasts sexual. Secondly there are people saying that breasts shouldn't be sexualised and there are others making millions by sexualising them. It's almost like telling a child to wait for the green man and then dragging them across the road when you spot a gap.


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The sort of idiots that twang someone's bra would also likely go up to smaller guys and hassle them. It's not sexist, it's maybe size-ist. As for the sexualisation of breasts, I always find it ridiculous when women complain about it. Firstly there is an innate attraction to breasts in a sexual regard, people don't choose to find breasts sexual. Secondly there are people saying that breasts shouldn't be sexualised and there are others making millions by sexualising them. It's almost like telling a child to wait for the green man and then dragging them across the road when you spot a gap.


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Tbf I think people are attracted to breasts largely in part because they are normally hidden and considered risque.

I've seen large numbers of breasts in non sexual situations due to shooting nude calendars, and have to admit pay a lot less attention to them than I did before. Once you've seen them enough in a non sexual scenario they do become less sexual.

Herein lies the problem. What about the fact that chests are innately sexual to women? I can get all tingly when confronted with a nice hairy chest. Yet men can walk around bare-chested. Might this have to do with the fact that women's sexuality is considered less important than men's? On the other side, might it have to do with the fact that men are seen as basically animals who cannot help themselves when an inch of flesh is flashed?

It's a position that insults and hurts us all. Personally, I just want to stop being viewed as an inherently sexual object because of my gender. And I want men to stop being viewed as inherently dangerous because of their gender.

There's no law here that says you can't be topless if you want, you choose not just like I choose not to walk topless down the street.

You're being very dramatic, you aren't viewed as a sex object because you're female


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Le sigh.*

No, there is no specific law. But if some ridiculous person decide to take offence at my toplessness I could be arrested for "Outraging Public Decency". Something that would never happen if a man was bare-chested. We know this because men often are.

Learn the law before you try to lecture me about it.

If women being topless was no big deal we wouldn't have stories about how breastfeeding women have been harassed simply for giving their children lunch.

Are you sure?

It's more than assault. In the U.S. it could be prosecuted as battery.

The FTN campaign serves to highlight a double-standard held by society, the double-standard being that some people can go around topless whereas others can't..

Twanging someone's bra strap and telling women to cover up their nipples (when men don't have to) are, in my view, two actions resulting from the same (sexist) attitude: the idea that women's bodies in the public space are somehow always someone else's property, waiting to be regulated, commented on, or touched. It's about claiming ownership of your own body. No, I don't think female nipples should be seen as something inherently sexual. At the same time, I would feel humiliated if a random person twanged my bra strap, because they would be unwantedly encroaching on my personal space, thereby implicitly asserting that decisions about my own body are not mine to make. Twanging a woman's bra strap, and telling her to cover up, are both ways of putting her in her place.

Hence, I don't think there's a paradox at all.