Was a bit bored and decided to make a tier listing for all the universities in the UK

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Reply 40

JollyCynic

This thread is the university version of Dave Gorman's A-Z celebrity list ranking.

Reply 41

Mathmoji

Original post by skeptical_john

There is no interview process. You see a cv with someone who was in your former debate club and he's in.

It's not a guarantee but it vastly increases you chances all other things being equal. And its mainly with certain professions. Journalism/Law/Medicane etc

I think you have a very naive way of how the world works.

Ah, now you're throwing in "all other things being equal." They never are.

Reply 42

skeptical_john

Original post by Mathmoji

I think you have a very naive way of how the world works.

Ah, now you're throwing in "all other things being equal." They never are.

I'm well read in the subject of social mobility. Here are a few examples of recent articles, I can recommend a few books if interested.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-35641061
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/08/27/elitist-britain-cabinet-mps-oxbridge-private-independent-schools_n_5723662.html
http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/myth-meritocracy-review-james-bloodworths-polemic-shows-britains-level-playing-field-lie-1561771
http://www.legalcheek.com/2016/02/research-over-70-of-top-judges-and-barristers-are-privately-educated-or-oxbridge-elite/

"all other things being equal" is a hypothetical term used in science. Obviously they never are but it's how you try and determine which variables make a difference.

Reply 43

user73867

1. My university
2. Everyone elses' universities

Reply 44

Samz15

City should be higher imo

Reply 45

Trinculo

This is like a 40 year old virgin making a list of which instagram models and film stars he'd like to have sex with the most.

Reply 46

Elastichedgehog

Both of my choices are tier 2, that's reassuring :biggrin:

Reply 47

HagueBlue

I still think LSE, Imperial and maybe Durham deserve to be in Tier 1 with Oxbridge

Reply 48

drapplepilot

I would say Tier 2 needs to be split up. Too many.

Reply 49

PippaStu

Oh no! Honestly, I don't really think that you can 'tier' Universities in such a fixed way, I actually think that doing so, is fundamentally a huge mistake, and perpetuates this ridiculous elitist perception of Uni. What about subjects such as teacher training; historic to Liverpool Hope, or in Media and Film related courses; for example Edge Hill's amazing facilities and tutors.

You cannot bundle all Universities in together in such a way, people ought to do more research on what Universities have contributed to their specific, chosen field, instead of gawping over a name. It results in very under qualified graduates, particularly in my field of work!

Reply 50

username738914

Original post by Mathmoji

I think you have a very naive way of how the world works.

Ah, now you're throwing in "all other things being equal." They never are.

As a third party, I think you fit that description more than skeptical

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Reply 51

math42

Original post by AnkitKapoor

I still think LSE, Imperial and maybe Durham deserve to be in Tier 1 with Oxbridge

lol

Reply 52

username738914

Original post by 1 8 13 20 42

lol

I didn't want to say anything either....

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Reply 53

HagueBlue

Original post by Princepieman

I didn't want to say anything either....

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Wait what did I do? :wink:

Reply 54

KardasDragon

I guess im going to respond en mass here.

I have realised I've made a few mistakes here and there, especially after consulting the World Rankings Tables. I'm posting a revised version here:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/12psNterURYtA5M8DO8BZQk7tZA8_UNDkjhtypt1vwuk/edit#gid=0

The only member of Tier 2 that I would consider putting above are LSE and Imperial. Durham, Warwick, Bristol are NO DIFFERENT to Cardiff and Liverpool (seriously stop bashing these). Yes Durham may be better at law, but Cardiff can trump it in the pharmacy department.
All Tier 2s are very similar in the way they are bulit and run. UCL and King's are no different to the rest of the pack.

I've since moved up most of the speciality universities to Tier 3 and might even put a few in Tier 2. SOAS is not moving though. Tier 4 is now made of Universities that have atleast one world class subject (often more) but fall behind in most others. Tier 5 are those that have a top tier domestic-level subject or score better overall. Tier 6 is unchanged. Tier 7 is now comprised Tier 6s that scored extrememly poorly in Student Experience Surveys. Academically they might be Tier 6, but all indicators are showing that there is always a better choice.

Reply 55

_Fergo

Original post by KardasDragon

LOL.

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Oh lord.

Surely it would be wiser to rank universities in terms of specific fields.

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Reply 58

math42

Original post by KardasDragon

Durham, Warwick, Bristol are NO DIFFERENT to Cardiff and Liverpool (seriously stop bashing these). Yes Durham may be better at law, but Cardiff can trump it in the pharmacy department.
All Tier 2s are very similar in the way they are bulit and run. UCL and King's are no different to the rest of the pack.

Well for instance Warwick is excellent and nationally near the very top in Maths, Economics, Computer Science. That's several subjects. Durham is renowned for many subjects, not just Law; as far as I know it's a very good all rounder, moreso than Cardiff and Liverpool. I could say similar for Bristol. UCL is an internationally recognised university which is extremely successful in world rankings, so it definitely trumps many of the unis in your Tier 2.