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French water park bans "non-Muslim attire" for a day

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If muslim women cant handle swimming without being completely covered up then I think that says a lot.Why must muslims be covered up in Islam anyway?Its a form of sexism against women is what it is.If we allow this then we're saying that sexism is alright as long as its in within a certain religion or culture.Its actually a kind of reverse racism on the part of liberals because they're saying that sexism is alright as long as its within a certain community. because its 'just their culture'.This kind of thing will only encourage muslims to become more insular and segregated from the rest of western society which will in turn lead to extremism. Do you think its an accident that france has suffered most in these recent terror attacks and has the largest muslim minority in western europe?Its no accident and It shouldnt be left to the far right to criticise this.
Original post by JamaicanMeKrazy
If they've hired out the entire park for one day, I don't see why they shouldn't be allowed to set their own rules provided those rules are within the bounds of French law?


They're not violating anyone else's rights whatsoever.


"Edit: Didn't realise it was a private booking. "

Although personally I don't think private ownership should allow someone to determine such things, but that's cos I'm a bit communist.
Original post by ChaoticButterfly
"Edit: Didn't realise it was a private booking. "

Although personally I don't think private ownership should allow someone to determine such things, but that's cos I'm a bit communist.


and that's why you'll never be a man

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While i agree its a private event, so a non issue. I do question whether an event banning muslim garb would be deemed acceptable or "just one event"?
People can set whatever dress code they like for a private event.

In a similar vein I hope to one day form my own micro-state somewhere and ban religion.
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The left wing mayor has canceled the event.
He says "I am shocked and angry, I consider this event to be a provocation, which we can't afford in the current context. It's a case of hard communitarianism."
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Original post by Farm_Ecology
I do question whether an event banning muslim garb would be deemed acceptable or "just one event"?


Let's do that. :biggrin:
Original post by Josb
The left wing mayor has canceled the event.
He says "I am shocked and angry, I consider this event to be a provocation, which we can't afford in the current context. It's a case of hard communitarianism."


Take that private capitalism!

Victory for socialism . Liberty, Equality, Fraternity!:france:
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Original post by JamesN88
People can set whatever dress code they like for a private event.


Original post by 999tigger
You could say the same if they wanted them all to come dressed as jedi knights. Really is ridiculous outrage over nothing.


It's not only about the dress code, it's the fact that they banned any man aged over ten on a religious basis. Would you be comfortable with a private event banning Muslims, or gays?
Original post by Josb
It's not only about the dress code, it's the fact that they banned any man aged over ten on a religious basis. Would you be comfortable with a private event banning Muslims, or gays?


Its a privare event, there was nothing illegal.
Original post by Josb
It's not only about the dress code, it's the fact that they banned any man aged over ten on a religious basis. Would you be comfortable with a private event banning Muslims, or gays?


I wouldn't care.

They wouldn't go anyway if it was clear they weren't wanted.

I'm firmly opposed to the segregated public pool in Luton.
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One day maybe, would prefer there just to be some women only swimming sessions, so that women take more exercise. The fear of or unwanted attention from men is an obstacle to some women taking exercise.
so this basically sidelines non-muslims?
surely that's "racist" against those non-muslims, if anything *against* muslims to this effect is "racist"...? but nah, we live in a society where some people get a pass and other people are metaphorically crucified as messiahs of the political correctness god
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Original post by sleepysnooze
so this basically sidelines non-muslims?
surely that's "racist" against those non-muslims, if anything *against* muslims to this effect is "racist"...? but nah, we live in a society where some people get a pass and other people are metaphorically crucified as messiahs of the political correctness god


Not if they have hired it out as a private event.
You could hire a place and funnily enough becaise you are paying then you cna decide who is on the guest list. Just like if you had a party round at your house.
Original post by 999tigger
Not if they have hired it out as a private event.
You could hire a place and funnily enough becaise you are paying then you cna decide who is on the guest list. Just like if you had a party round at your house.


so it's private racism then?
Original post by sleepysnooze
so it's private racism then?


You can do what you like in your own home or a private venue as long as it isnt illegal. How does a women only burkhini swim party amount to racism?
Original post by Petrifiedcat
Tbh I don't think it matters if others are wearing one pieces or two piece swimming costumes, as long as you yourself are covered. I mean to each their own, let them wear what they want to wear, and if you want to be covered, go for it.
I agree with everyone else, it's just one event, but if it became a regular thing I'd understand the 'outrage'


This is what I'm getting at - wear whatever you want, but why does everyone else around you have to dress the same?

Saw some people saying it's been banned, as far as I'm aware the mayor said that he was planning to try to ban it - not sure if he will or not. There's possibly been a more recent post, but this is the most recent one I can find:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/aug/04/french-mayor-attacks-plans-for-burkini-pool-party

I like this quote from him, anyway:
"“Burka, chador, abaya, niqab, hijab it doesn’t matter what you call them, they are a gender prison, a negation of the individual, an obstacle to equality, an obstacle to fraternity.”"
Original post by 999tigger
You can do what you like in your own home or a private venue as long as it isnt illegal. How does a women only burkhini swim party amount to racism?


1) if you're not even disagreeing with me in my statement that it's "racist", then what is your point? I said it's the same as "anti-muslim racism" if it's barring non-muslim whites. and yes, I am saying that non-muslim = white in this context if people are somehow able to say that "muslim" = a race.
2) I never said people didn't have a right to be racist
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Original post by sleepysnooze
1) if you're not even disagreeing with me in my statement that it's "racist", then what is your point? I said it's the same as "anti-muslim racism" if it's barring non-muslim whites. and yes, I am saying that non-muslim = white in this context if people are somehow able to say that "muslim" = a race.
2) I never said people didn't have a right to be racist


I never said it was. I asked you why you think it is?

I said you can do what you like in your own home with the proviso you cant incite racial hatred. Notwithstanding Im talking about UK law and this situation is in France.

Muslims are a religion and not a race.
Original post by 999tigger
I never said it was. I asked you why you think it is?

I said you can do what you like in your own home with the proviso you cant incite racial hatred. Notwithstanding Im talking about UK law and this situation is in France.

Muslims are a religion and not a race.


I know fully that islam/muslims =/= a race
I am saying that they are a race in this context because people who tend to defend islam blur it all as a race, and call their critics "racists". I am saying that if this stands, then barring non-muslims from events like this one must, therefore, also be "racist" too. that's all I'm saying. I respect the right of people to have private property and hence private associations. but if it's racist to bar or exclude muslims from something, then this is also that brand of "racism"

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