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Why do people think gay people are always a part of the left or the regressive left?

In spite of people like Douglas Murray, David Starkey and Milo Yiannopoulos (though I cannot agree with a lot of what Milo says.)
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There seems to be a prominent view that gay people are by default on the left or the regressive left. I don't have any studies to back this up of course; this is just from anecdotal experience. However from my experience right-wing gay people seem to have more prominence in the media. (Though this could be a case of confirmation bias from Google Analytics.)

I just don't know what causes this causal belief in people's minds with examples in stark contrast.

Edit #1: Changed title, and made it more intelligible.
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But what makes you think that "people" think that gays are lefties?
I'm LGBT, and no-one really cared. But when I said I was conservative, I lost friends (one of whom I thought I was fairly close to) and was often asked to justify my positions.
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They don't. Most people assume gays are liberal tho. For obvious reasons.
Original post by Trinculo
But what makes you think that "people" think that gays are lefties?


Experience.

A number of times have people in real life and online thought this.

It seems to be a really bad case of confirmation bias.
Original post by Truths
They don't. Most people assume gays are liberal tho. For obvious reasons.


Most people conflate "left" and "liberal", so it doesn't really help your case.

(I will say in my experience in case you want to dispute my point. :tongue:)
Original post by Rorschach II
Experience.

A number of times have people in real life and online thought this.

It seems to be a really bad case of confirmation bias.


Not in my experience.

Possibly younger, more sheltered people might think like that - who personally only know younger gay people or gay personalities that appeal to younger people - but this would follow with young people being more lefty in general.
I'm a straight female. I saw photos on Twitter a few months ago a Pride event. It could have been London i'm not sure. Anyway, in the background on loads of the photos were stands to join the Labour Party. The guy posting these on Twitter was a member of Gay Labour [Sorry that might not be entirely accurate, but it was something like that]. I messaged him. I said I had never voted for the Labour Party in my life and asked him if other political parties were also at the Pride event. He said Socialist Worker's Party and the Greens and a few smaller far Left parties. I asked him if the Conservative Party was there. He said they were not. I asked him why not. He said because they probably wouldn't be made to feel very welcome. I then said even though I was straight ,not seeing ALL political parties there would be really off putting and I thought that Pride marches were supposed to be really inclusive. I said how can it be inclusive if they are ignoring gay /BI /Trans Conservative Party voters or supporters. His answer? People who support the Conservative Party are perfectly entitled to arrange and organise their own Pride march if they want to. So I guess that meant Tories were not welcome then. So much for inclusivity.
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Original post by markova21
I'm a straight female. I saw photos on Twitter a few months ago a Pride event. It could have been London i'm not sure. Anyway, in the background on loads of the photos were stands to join the Labour Party. The guy posting these on Twitter was a member of Gay Labour [Sorry that might not be entirely accurate, but it was something like that]. I messaged him. I said I had never voted for the Labour Party in my life and asked him if other political parties were also at the Pride event. He said Socialist Worker's Party and the Greens and a few smaller far Left parties. I asked him if the Conservative Party was there. He said they were not. I asked him why not. He said because they probably wouldn't be made to feel very welcome. I then said even though I was straight ,not seeing ALL political parties there would be really off putting and I thought that Pride marches were supposed to be really inclusive. I said how can it be inclusive if they are ignoring gay /BI /Trans Conservative Party members? His answer? People who support the Conservative Party are perfectly entitled to arrange and organise their own Pride march if they want to. So I guess that meant Tories were not welcome then. So much for inclusivity.


Well the majority of conservative MPs who voted voted against gay marriage so you can understand the animosity, if not condone it.
Original post by markova21
I'm a straight female. I saw photos on Twitter a few months ago a Pride event. It could have been London i'm not sure. Anyway, in the background on loads of the photos were stands to join the Labour Party. The guy posting these on Twitter was a member of Gay Labour [Sorry that might not be entirely accurate, but it was something like that]. I messaged him. I said I had never voted for the Labour Party in my life and asked him if other political parties were also at the Pride event. He said Socialist Worker's Party and the Greens and a few smaller far Left parties. I asked him if the Conservative Party was there. He said they were not. I asked him why not. He said because they probably wouldn't be made to feel very welcome. I then said even though I was straight ,not seeing ALL political parties there would be really off putting and I thought that Pride marches were supposed to be really inclusive. I said how can it be inclusive if they are ignoring gay /BI /Trans Conservative Party voters or supporters. His answer? People who support the Conservative Party are perfectly entitled to arrange and organise their own Pride march if they want to. So I guess that meant Tories were not welcome then. So much for inclusivity.


On a similar note, when I went to Pride, loads of people were against Brexit and were wearing remain stickers and the like. And I agree with the OP, in my experience LGBT people (especially lesbian and bisexual women) are leftists (and regressives).
Original post by Trinculo
Not in my experience.

Possibly younger, more sheltered people might think like that - who personally only know younger gay people or gay personalities that appeal to younger people - but this would follow with young people being more lefty in general.


I don't have a study to back this up or anything, just anecdotal experience. :tongue:

Thanks for input.

Original post by MildredMalone
I'm LGBT, and no-one really cared. But when I said I was conservative, I lost friends (one of whom I thought I was fairly close to) and was often asked to justify my positions.


That's a shame.

Was there even a debate on the matter? (As to why he disagreed with the Conservative Party or conservatism?)
Original post by 1 8 13 20 42
Well the majority of conservative MPs who voted voted against gay marriage so you can understand the animosity, if not condone it.


Just because some of the Conservative MPs voted against gay marriage doesn't mean that they were against gays or homosexuality. I don't see why they shouldn't be invited to the event. There are gay dos evasive MPs as well.
Original post by Electrospective
On a similar note, when I went to Pride, loads of people were against Brexit and were wearing remain stickers and the like. And I agree with the OP, in my experience LGBT people (especially lesbian and bisexual women) are leftists (and regressives).


You've misinterpreted my post.

I'm saying why do people think it's a given that gay people are on the left, which I have found in my experience, when there are examples in the media which are otherwise?
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Original post by Rorschach II
Most people conflate "left" and "liberal", so it doesn't really help your case.

(I will say in my experience in case you want to dispute my point. :tongue:)


They are known to be left too. Regressive? I'm not sure about that.
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Original post by Trapz99
Just because some of the Conservative MPs voted against gay marriage doesn't mean that they were against gays or homosexuality. I don't see why they shouldn't be invited to the event. There are gay dos evasive MPs as well.


Tbh as far as I'm concerned it does, in a sense. Religious arguments are obviously disingenuous as countless people who aren't religious get married, and its main function is state-recognised romantic partnership with certain legal perks (as for the argument that we can just have "civil unions" instead, this surely is an unnecessary distinction - and I am not even sure if it afforded all the same benefits). Well as I said I don't condone their antagonism of every conservative supporter based on the actions of some of their MPs.
Original post by Truths
They are known to be left too. Regressive? I'm not sure about that.


Perhaps it's just me then. :tongue:

Edit #1: I'll rephrase, I have found that people not on the left seem to think that gay people are on the left or the regressive left. These people don't seem to think that gay people can be on the right side of the political spectrum too.
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Right wing people tend to be more traditional,more conservative if you will.They also tend to be more christian and christianity has been historically opposed to gay people.So its understandable that gay people tend to be more left wing.
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Original post by Rorschach II
Perhaps it's just me then. :tongue:

Edit #1: I'll rephrase, I have found that people not on the left seem to think that gay people are on the left or the regressive left. These people don't seem to think that gay people can be on the right side of the political spectrum too.


Oh that's easy. It's because historically the right wing have always impeded LGBT rights.
Original post by Rorschach II

That's a shame.

Was there even a debate on the matter? (As to why he disagreed with the Conservative Party or conservatism?)

Well in the case of the one I thought I was good friends with, it was a simple "block" on facebook and texting to cancel our plans for later that week!
There are plenty of right leaning gays about. The really homogenous group are feminists, especially gay ones. I have never met or talked to one that wasn't left wing. In fact a great many of the active ones seem to be Marxist. There may be an odd one or two right wing ones about but generally they are like rocking horse sh1t.
For a group that claim to believe in diversity they don't seem to believe in diversity of political opinion.

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