The I-SOC (Islamic Society) XIII

How is that laughable? No, I have not completely read the Qu'ran which I freely admit, as an example you don't need to read the whole of Mein Kampf to see that it contains racist ideology. It astonishes me that you can't see how parts of the Qu'ran can be interpreted as violent. Do you not understand logic at all? If one reads a part of a book which can be interpreted as violent then the book is not completely peaceful, its pretty simple. Do you deny that these extremists read the same book as you do?

I implore you to give me a proper counter argument to understandable criticisms instead of just laughing.

I am not a Muslim and i have barely read the Quran, so if i post anything that may have been misinterpreted or misunderstood, please forgive me and politely correct me.

I began to do research on Islam to find out whether it is the peaceful religion that people say it is and i came across these verses:

“Kill them [unbelievers] wherever you find them… And fight them until there is no more unbelief and worship is for Allah alone”

To me these verses look like they condone violence, the antithesis of peace. But i also came across this.

"be merciful to those on the earth and the one above the heavens will have mercy upon you"

Now i see two statements that to me seem to be entirely contradictory of one another. If Islam preaches peace then that means that the scriptures that proclaim peace must outweigh those that do the opposite. Is that the case? If not, then what makes Islam a religion that preaches peace rather than war. War and Peace are entirely conflicting ideologies, and there is no way they can be achieved together.

>Claims Quran isn't completely peaceful
>Admits to not having completed the Quran
Lol

The verses you quoted in context:

Fight in the way of Allah those who fight you but do not transgress. Indeed. Allah does not like transgressors.

And kill them wherever you overtake them and expel them from wherever they have expelled you, and fitnah is worse than killing. And do not fight them at al-Masjid al- Haram until they fight you there. But if they fight you, then kill them. Such is the recompense of the disbelievers.

And if they cease, then indeed, Allah is Forgiving and Merciful.

[Quran 2:190-192]

By looking at the verse in context the teaching is clear. Fight against those who fight against you [self defence] (190) - if they stop then stop (192).

Verse 191 tells us these verses were revealed in a historical context due to the mentioning of Masjid Al Haram. A context in which the Muslim community had been attacked by the people of Mecca and God allowed the Muslims to defend themselves.

As has been stated peaceful is different from pacifism.

The statements do not contradict. One must show mercy to those upon the earth. But Islam allows self defence if one is attacked as those verses clarify.

Strictly speaking, they are meant for modern times too, though it depends upon the context of the situation i.e. during war.

No they are not because that would mean that ISIS are following the Quran because they are at war. They were meant for when Muhammad pbuh was starting Islam so he could get people to be Muslims because noone had heard about it so they fought against him.

If someone says all swans are white, then all I need to see is one grey swan for that statement to become false. To claim that someone needs to see all swans before they could form an opinion on that statement is disingenuous. What you should be doing is asking the person to show you the grey swan, not demanding they observe every swan in the world.

We're talking about the Quran here not swans.

Strictly speaking, they are meant for modern times too, though it depends upon the context of the situation i.e. during war.

The verses you quoted in context:

Fight in the way of Allah those who fight you but do not transgress. Indeed. Allah does not like transgressors.

And kill them wherever you overtake them and expel them from wherever they have expelled you, and fitnah is worse than killing. And do not fight them at al-Masjid al- Haram until they fight you there. But if they fight you, then kill them. Such is the recompense of the disbelievers.

And if they cease, then indeed, Allah is Forgiving and Merciful.

[Quran 2:190-192]

By looking at the verse in context the teaching is clear. Fight against those who fight against you [self defence] (190) - if they stop then stop (192).

Verse 191 tells us these verses were revealed in a historical context due to the mentioning of Masjid Al Haram. A context in which the Muslim community had been attacked by the people of Mecca and God allowed the Muslims to defend themselves.

As has been stated peaceful is different from pacifism.

The statements do not contradict. One must show mercy to those upon the earth. But Islam allows self defence if one is attacked as those verses clarify.

Am I the only one having issues with chrome when pressing backspace doesn't take you back to the previous page!

The Internet actually contains evil Jinns be careful. Anyways who here has a seen jinn besides me?

The Internet actually contains evil Jinns be careful. Anyways who here has a seen jinn besides me?

I think you should have a closer look at TMG's reply.