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Should trans people be allowed to receive free reassignment surgery on the NHS?

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Original post by zippyRN
- you are relying on 50 year old data

- you seem to assume that GRS is a magic bullet when it isn;t

- you are demonstrating your own ignorance of the pathway


Did you read my point. They followed the subjects for 30 years, how new did you want it to be? 2014?

It's not. In my opinion, it should only be an option for very few people, and for those people, they should have to pay for it themselves. For the majority, they (scientists, doctors) should find other alternatives.
Original post by cherryred90s
Ah okay and if she didn't take any treatment at all, you think she would've been better off?


Yes tbh
Original post by Electrospective
Did you read my point. They followed the subjects for 30 years, how new did you want it to be? 2014?

It's not. In my opinion, it should only be an option for very few people, and for those people, they should have to pay for it themselves. For the majority, they (scientists, doctors) should find other alternatives.


what alternatives are there other than disproven and discredited ones which reinforce cis-normative heterosexual models ?
Original post by saraxh
Yes tbh


Right okay
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Original post by cherryred90s
Can't possibly be comparable to poison if it makes you better..


No it kills cancer cells, that is by no stretch of the imagination the same as 'makes you better' it usually makes people a great deal worse before there is any improvement.
You think blast radiation [as another example] is good for you? You think anti fungals are good for you? These drugs and procedures are designed to kill cells/spores. In what possible way could they be 'good' for you?

You appear more than very ignorant on the medical front here though.
Original post by zippyRN
what alternatives are there other than disproven and discredited ones which reinforce cis-normative heterosexual models ?


Research must be done. But GRS is not the answer. It might be a form of therapy, but I don't know.
Original post by Electrospective
Research must be done. But GRS is not the answer.


really

despite the evidence and despite the evidence you are using to discredit GRS actually strongly supporting GRS as a part of the care of transpeople along with the other interventions currently undertaken ...
Original post by zippyRN
really


despite the evidence and despite the evidence you are using to discredit GRS actually strongly supporting GRS as a part of the care of transpeople along with the other interventions currently undertaken ...
Look at post no. 129 on page 7, then get back to me. :h: If anything I've discredited the "evidence" given to be that was pro-GRS.
Original post by cherryred90s
Exactly, this is what I have been saying. The physical surgery isn't the sole solution. There are far more obstacles to be addressed in order to live a happy life


If you want trans people to have better lives then:

1. Start treating us like we can make decisions about our bodies ourselves rather than needing cis people to tell us what to feel.

2. Stop being transphobic and fight transphobia and transphobic discrimination when you see or hear it.

3. Listen to what trans people want and need. Don't tell us what we should want. Demand other cis people listen to us as well.

4. Celebrate transness rather than see it as something to be eradicated.

We'll sort out doing what we want with our bodies to reduce any physical dysphoria we feel. Y'all can deal with getting rid of the systematic oppression that you force us to live with everyday.
Original post by SmallTownGirl


Don't blame trans people for societies transphobia.

Also, I have depression and severe body image issues due to an eating disorder. I'm also trans. Gender dysphoria is very different from depression.


I never blamed anyone for anything. If gender dysphoria is so different from depression then it should be treated by specially trained professionals and not normal psychiatrists.

On a sidenote: I know from relatives that psychiatrists can be terrible when trying to treat depression. They open wounds where there were non.
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Original post by Galaxie501
I never blamed anyone for anything. If gender dysphoria is so different from depression then it should be treated by specially trained professionals and not normal psychiatrists.

On a sidenote: I know from relatives that psychiatrists can be terrible when trying to treat depression. They open wounds where there were non.


You're aware that Gender Identity Clinics are where trans people are approved for hormones and surgeries, right? It's not part of standard mental health services. The counsellors and psychiatrists etc. in GICs gatekeep ridiculously and the quality of treatment is disgustingly bad but they are 'specialists'.
Original post by SmallTownGirl
If you want trans people to have better lives then:

1. Start treating us like we can make decisions about our bodies ourselves rather than needing cis people to tell us what to feel.

2. Stop being transphobic and fight transphobia and transphobic discrimination when you see or hear it.

3. Listen to what trans people want and need. Don't tell us what we should want. Demand other cis people listen to us as well.

4. Celebrate transness rather than see it as something to be eradicated.

We'll sort out doing what we want with our bodies to reduce any physical dysphoria we feel. Y'all can deal with getting rid of the systematic oppression that you force us to live with everyday.


Nice list, and I'm happy to conform
Would rep if I could. +10092827208
Original post by cherryred90s
Nice list, and I'm happy to conform


Great. Now stop worrying about whether or not we medically transition. Accept that medical transition IS the way of reducing physical dysphoria and therefore SHOULD be available on the NHS.
Original post by SmallTownGirl
Great. Now stop worrying about whether or not we medically transition. Accept that medical transition IS the way of reducing physical dysphoria and therefore SHOULD be available on the NHS.


I'm not worried about whether you medically transition, I don't care if you do, that's your choice. Don't try and force me to agree that it should be available on the NHS, I've already said that I don't agree and I've explained why: cosmetic surgery shouldn't be free
Original post by cherryred90s
I'm not worried about whether you medically transition, I don't care if you do, that's your choice. Don't try and force me to agree that it should be available on the NHS, I've already said that I don't agree and I've explained why: cosmetic surgery shouldn't be free


There are actually many reasons why surgeries that are purely cosmetic are provided on the NHS. People who have severe scarring due to burns are often given medical help to reduce that scarring. People with facial disfigurements which severe affect their mental health are often given cosmetic surgery to reduce the appearance of them. Cis women who've had a mastectomy due to breast cancer are offered a reconstruction.

Maybe you believe that none of these things should be available on the NHS. In which case I'd tell you that you would be wrong, but at least you're consistent. But if you do think these are acceptable but funding medical transitions is wrong, then you're just an awful transphobic person...
Original post by SmallTownGirl
Great. Now stop worrying about whether or not we medically transition. Accept that medical transition IS the way of reducing physical dysphoria and therefore SHOULD be available on the NHS.


PRSOM
Well I read in the independent the other day that they're apparently spending 9 million on homeopathy which is utterly absurd.If they have money to waste on homeopathy then I think they can afford to fund this.
Original post by cherryred90s
I'm not worried about whether you medically transition, I don't care if you do, that's your choice. Don't try and force me to agree that it should be available on the NHS, I've already said that I don't agree and I've explained why: cosmetic surgery shouldn't be free


oh dear

thankyou for demonstrating your utter lack of knowledge of the process , pathway and end outcomes of transition ...


it is interesting that you feel the need to refer to treatment for transpeople as cosmetic , it;s almost as though you are auditioning for a 'journalist's' job with the Daily Sexpest or Heily Fail
Original post by tanyapotter
Are you a mental health professional? If not, then how can you make the claim that gender dysphoria cannot be cured by surgery?

Also, wanting gender reassignment surgery is not a "symptom" of gender dysphoria. Is wanting to be happy a symptom of depression? No. Constantly being sad is.

You're making a ridiculous comparison to schizophrenia. To even compare transgenderism with wanting to be a mouse shows you don't have a clue what you're on about.



You're right that is a ridiculous comparison.But what about Body integrity disorder?That disorder makes people feel like their limbs are not part of them.Should we allow them to have ampuatations?
Honestly this is a difficult issue,on the one hand I feel that nobody would choose to be transgenser so its definitely not a choice.But on the other hand I think it is a mental illness.Its not really compatable to being gay because gay people dont want to mutilate their own bodies.Another thing I disagree with is that sombody is in the wrong body sorry but you are your body.You and your body are not seperate things, they're one and the same.

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