Should paedophilia still be considered a disorder?

asopposed tothe Physical and pseudo-intellectual churches of the religious right spreading hate ?

I kinda agree with him on that one. Aspergers (in most cases), psychopathy and ADHD aren't disorders. They are different ways of being. I hate how society has become, categorising different states of being as a disorder to be cured. And this only benefits bug pharma, which are making tonnes of mental health drugs.

Sexuality is different to fetishes/paraphilias and my ****ing God it is so pathetic constantly seeing people say "well if we allow homosexuals to do this then we may as well just allow paedophiles to do X as well!" - the instant someone spurts some ******** like this you know they probably have at most 2 brain cells.
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Paedophilia is classified in such a way since it is a paraphilia (essentially a dangerous fetish) which concerns objects of sexual fascination whereas homosexuality is (unsurprisingly) a sexuality which is to do with sexual attraction towards a certain sex. They are not remotely the same thing nor should be treated the same way.

People who don't act upon paedophilia are certainly not doing any immediate harm no, but the sake of the fact there is always a risk they will act, we need to encourage and allow these people to seek psychotherapy and as such to try and overcome these feelings as much as possible.
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God just you ****ing morons who always try and dampen any progress for homosexuals by saying "BUH DEN PEDOPHILES!!" really ****ing irk me - go **** off back to the 1920s.

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God just you ****ing morons who always try and dampen any progress for homosexuals by saying "BUH DEN PEDOPHILES!!" really ****ing irk me - go **** off back to the 1920s.

There are no right-wing universities, there is no modern right. If David Cameron or Theresa May lived 50 years ago they would have been called Reds, there is no modern right.



Exactly right, they are not disorders, they are simply arbitrary patterns of behaviour society groups and pathologises.

Fun fact: 1920s Germany was the best time to be gay (in history), there were gay magazines in circulation, public gay bars, unfortunately the Nazis came in and everyone went backwards and it's taken almost 100 years to get back to that point.

Unfortunately not. Universities are full of bratty leftists now.

Oh and yeah, it's sickening how everything is a disorder now. I'm questioning dyslexia now. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/educationnews/10661412/Dyslexia-may-not-exist-warn-academics.html

If you look through the DSM V, it's ridiculous.

People who don't act upon paedophilia are certainly not doing any immediate harm no, but the sake of the fact there is always a risk they will act, we need to encourage and allow these people to seek psychotherapy and as such to try and overcome these feelings as much as possible.

I kinda agree with him on that one. Aspergers (in most cases), psychopathy and ADHD aren't disorders. They are different ways of being. I hate how society has become, categorising different states of being as a disorder to be cured. And this only benefits bug pharma, which are making tonnes of mental health drugs.

This is something which I have thought about so much growing up, why is it we define Nazis are members of the far-right rather than renegade progressives?


The Nazis rode to power on the back of vicious antisemitic conspiracy theories because there was an awareness of the existence of a successful minority, the Jews and rather than accepting their culture of hardwork and scholarly achievement, they assumed there must have been nefarious activities behind Jewish success. They think in exactly the same way ironically as the ANC in South Africa or Mugabe's Zimbabwe, all of their policies were radical centre or moderate left, the only reason we class them as right-wing is because they made racial distinctions.


The same applies with homosexuality, only a collectivist society would ban a harmless act on the grounds that it's somehow bad for society on the whole, if we accepted that the only objective entity is the individual then this bigotry would disappear.




The diagnostic criteria is so general that it essentially gets diagnosed by fact that difficultly reading appeared rather than specific identifiable markers of illness.

I've worked with children and young people with severe Autism, who sometimes live in complete hell. To say that they aren't suffering from a disorder but are just different is so wrong. People tend to think that Autism is just people who are bit socially awkward, a bit like Sheldon Cooper. But it's not.

. Tell me that this isn't a disorder. You're just being ignorant now, and to be honest it's offensive. Because attitudes like yours are so, so damaging to progression in terms of understanding and treatment.

And the same applies to ADHD, and also Psychopathy. Although psychopaths would never admit that they have anything wrong with them, although everyone in their lives sure as hell would.

You're taking hippy dippy rubbish. Go to a unit and work with adults with severe Autism and come back and tell me it's not a disorder. Go to a Pupil Referral Unit and go work with adolescents with ADHD and Antisocial Behaviour Disorder and tell me, they don't suffer from disorders. In fact, trot along to your local high security prison, spend a couple of days with some Psychopaths and come back and tell me they are just different

It physically hurts my head, to witness such people with such easy access to knowledge, still remaining so stubbornly ignorant. Please guys, educate yourselves. For the love of God.

I've worked with children and young people with severe Autism, who sometimes live in complete hell. To say that they aren't suffering from a disorder but are just different is so wrong. People tend to think that Autism is just people who are bit socially awkward, a bit like Sheldon Cooper. But it's not.

. Tell me that this isn't a disorder. You're just being ignorant now, and to be honest it's offensive. Because attitudes like yours are so, so damaging to progression in terms of understanding and treatment.

And the same applies to ADHD, and also Psychopathy. Although psychopaths would never admit that they have anything wrong with them, although everyone in their lives sure as hell would.

You're taking hippy dippy rubbish. Go to a unit and work with adults with severe Autism and come back and tell me it's not a disorder. Go to a Pupil Referral Unit and go work with adolescents with ADHD and Antisocial Behaviour Disorder and tell me, they don't suffer from disorders. In fact, trot along to your local high security prison, spend a couple of days with some Psychopaths and come back and tell me they are just different

It physically hurts my head, to witness such people with such easy access to knowledge, still remain to stubbornly ignorant. Please guys, educate yourselves. For the love of God.

The only effective way of stopping them reoffending is physical or chemical castration or ensuring they never enter normal society, literally life in prison with no possibility of parole.


People who say it's an illness are leftist pseudoscientists who think they can ''cure'' them and safely reintroduce them to society, it's not possible, it's a dangerous lie.

Just because they are suffering because of their difference does not prove it is an illness or else short men or men who are not very handsome would be suffering an illness

I said Aspergers, not Autism. Oh wait, my bad, Aspergers isn't in the latest DSM. But you know what I mean.

They are just different. Emotions won't change my opinion, sorry. Evidence and arguments, yeah sure. Tell me, how is Psychopathy an illness? What's the underlying issue? The biochemistry involved? What is the treatment? Are there medications involved that treat it, or a certain therapies? In some ways it is advantageous to be a psychopath, in finance, especially to become a CEO. It has a higher prevalence in CEOs. So let's not make arguments based on emotions, thanks.

I said Aspergers, not Autism. Oh wait, my bad, Aspergers isn't in the latest DSM. But you know what I mean.

They are just different. Emotions won't change my opinion, sorry. Evidence and arguments, yeah sure. Tell me, how is Psychopathy an illness? What's the underlying issue? The biochemistry involved? What is the treatment? Are there medications involved that treat it, or a certain therapies? In some ways it is advantageous to be a psychopath, in finance, especially to become a CEO. It has a higher prevalence in CEOs. So let's not make arguments based on emotions, thanks.

And in my original post to which you replied, I specifically said ASD, not Aspergers...?? Perhaps read properly

Right here we go. This is my last reply now.

First of all, it's not a matter of opinion, it's a matter of fact. You cannot say that whether I or you consider Psychopathy or Autism to be a disorder is a matter of opinion, it is out of our hands, and has been decided by people far more superior in expertise than ourselves. It is not opinion, but evidence-based, peer-reviewed knowledge. Be humble, and recognise that sweetheart.

Secondly, a disorder does not require a 'biochemistry' in order to be classified as such. Many disorders do not. The view that in order for a disorder to exist it must have some physical component is decades old.

But as it so happens. There is a physical component to psychopathy. Psychopathy is often associated with abnormal functioning in the amygdala and the ventromedial prefrontal cortex. The amygdala is critical in reinforcement associations- involving both reward and punishment, and also in regards to facial expression processing. The vmPFC is responsible for decision making, including processing of risk and fear.

Also, you do not know what Psychopathy is. Perhaps you should look at the criteria.

-glib and superficial charm
• grandiose (exaggeratedly high) estimation of self
• need for stimulation
• pathological lying
• cunning and manipulativeness
• lack of remorse or guilt
• shallow affect (superficial emotional responsiveness)
• callousness and lack of empathy
• parasitic lifestyle
• poor behavioral controls
• sexual promiscuity
• early behavior problems
• lack of realistic long-term goals
• impulsivity
• irresponsibility
• failure to accept responsibility for own actions
• many short-term marital relationships
• juvenile delinquency
• revocation of conditional release
• criminal versatility

Assessed in a semi-structured interview style, in order to be diagnosed with Psychopathy you need to fulfill such criteria to the extent where you score 30 (the maximum being 40). Tell me how you can score 30 using this criteria, and still have your Psychopathy be considered 'advantageous'.

Please keep in mind that CEO's are just as likely to have mental illness as the general population, in fact I'm pretty sure they're more prone to depression and addiction.

Also, please don't try and patronise me and suggest that my knowledge is based on opinion, it's based on evidence based research. What's your hippy dippy, conspiracy theory (the pharmaceuticals are out to get us) attitude based on? Which journal article?

I have probably what one would determine as 'social avoidance' (disorder), and that is just an extreme of normal behavior... but because it is sufficiently maladaptive, I would probably class it as 'an illness'.
You know an illness is something which causes harm. Though psychopathy can have positive effects, it can also cause considerable detrimental effects - on relationships etc. Think 'Dexter', for a most extreme case.

Fun fact: 1920s Germany was the best time to be gay (in history), there were gay magazines in circulation, public gay bars, unfortunately the Nazis came in and everyone went backwards and it's taken almost 100 years to get back to that point.




Unfortunately not. Universities are full of bratty leftists now.

Oh and yeah, it's sickening how everything is a disorder now. I'm questioning dyslexia now. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/educationnews/10661412/Dyslexia-may-not-exist-warn-academics.html

If you look through the DSM V, it's ridiculous.