Muslim women are the "least successful group in society" report finds
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I think this article is a new low by progressives and the BBC, i really do. Suggesting that women who are held as subservient housewives in a backwards regressive culture and not allowed to do as their master husband say are being discriminated against by the big nasty white man
I am sure soon it will be white mens fault for female circumcision
1. Import millions of third worlders
2. Spends billions of the peoples money supporting them
3. Have the people living in costant terror fear and the occasional bombing or beheading
4. Blame the host country people for the failings of said horrible cultural practices
I am sure soon it will be white mens fault for female circumcision
1. Import millions of third worlders
2. Spends billions of the peoples money supporting them
3. Have the people living in costant terror fear and the occasional bombing or beheading
4. Blame the host country people for the failings of said horrible cultural practices
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Original post by WBZ144
I think it is a mixture of both: Muslim women in the USA are better educated and more successful career-wise than their male counterparts. On the other hand, they seem to be less integrated in the UK and there are seemingly more Muslims who stick to their own communities. The main countries of origins of Muslims in the UK are different to those in the US as well, so it could also be that the ones here are more strictly cultural and follow different religious doctrines.
I think the USA in general just really encourages other cultures to integrate a lot more, they don't take well to people standing out too much. There are some pocket communities, including, for example, the Amish and the radical Mormons (the ones that still do multiple and underage marriage), but they stay out of trouble by basically keeping their whole existence closed to outsiders. I don't feel like a group with "foreign" roots would get away with it so easily. We've tolerated a lot more and unfortunately in some ways that has been a detriment to us.
Original post by sameehaiqbal
No, I did not trash talk you. I don't know if you know, but that thread got so bad that moderators got involved and they took appropriate action and banned whoever needed to be banned i.e YOU and my friend. I was there, agreed, I was laughing, but i had no part in making anyone feel horrible and I was just there debating like anyone else unlike my friend who has admittedly being very horrible to you. Saying "Leave babe" doesn't make me any of the names you just called me. You mock me all the time and similarly I mock you back.
And funnily enough, you think I'm a bully but on this thread you have bullied me yourself. I find it ironic.
But you're right, talking to you is like a brick wall so best we just leave it here and go our separate ways. There's no point even trying to reconcile with you.
And funnily enough, you think I'm a bully but on this thread you have bullied me yourself. I find it ironic.
But you're right, talking to you is like a brick wall so best we just leave it here and go our separate ways. There's no point even trying to reconcile with you.
I see. But am lost for words.
You know, you are so unbelievable, I think I am gonna put you on my ignore list. This is just incredible how you conduct yourself and the views you have. For example, so what if I bullied you? Does that automatically mean you can't have bullied me? Because that is what you just implied and it's simply wrong. Do you not see the kind of flawed arguments and logic you write? Gah, it's unbearable.
Original post by Sorani
I think the USA in general just really encourages other cultures to integrate a lot more, they don't take well to people standing out too much. There are some pocket communities, including, for example, the Amish and the radical Mormons (the ones that still do multiple and underage marriage), but they stay out of trouble by basically keeping their whole existence closed to outsiders. I don't feel like a group with "foreign" roots would get away with it so easily. We've tolerated a lot more and unfortunately in some ways that has been a detriment to us.
Interesting.
For sure in Europe there is, was already, a massive problem of integration (see France, it's not the first generation of northern Africans that act out, it's their children and more specific grandchildren, as they are born in that country, but completely not integrated), and with the millions of refugees, that will just get worse.
Original post by AperfectBalance
Its like talking to a brick wall. Continue to be ignorant to the suffering that MANY Muslim women face.
Your ignorance is beyond comprehension it aches my heart, why don't you stop already. I too am a muslim girl and will hopefully become a future lawyer and businesswoman. This preconceived notion that our fathers and male relatives push us down is quite absurd. My parents are my biggest champions; and would no doubt book me a first flight to my home country if I were to quit my education to become a stay at home.
P.s. made this account just for you.
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Original post by noona__
Your ignorance is beyond comprehension it aches my heart, why don't you stop already. I too am a muslim girl and will hopefully become a future lawyer and businesswoman. This preconceived notion that our fathers and male relatives push us down is quite absurd. My parents are my biggest champions; and would no doubt book me a first flight to my home country if I were to quit my education to become a stay at home.
P.s. made this account just for you.
P.s. made this account just for you.
What's your point?
For some, discouraging sexist relatives is a reality. Just because that's not the case for you doesn't mean you can just dismiss it as a mere myth.
Original post by noona__
Your ignorance is beyond comprehension it aches my heart, why don't you stop already. I too am a muslim girl and will hopefully become a future lawyer and businesswoman. This preconceived notion that our fathers and male relatives push us down is quite absurd. My parents are my biggest champions; and would no doubt book me a first flight to my home country if I were to quit my education to become a stay at home.
P.s. made this account just for you.
P.s. made this account just for you.
Did he say all or did he in fact say many?
The only ignorant people in this thread are those projecting their own experiences onto the majority of Muslim women. The ones that don't acknowledge that there is a difference to begin with for Muslim women if they are born in the UK say, or in say Pakistan.
Original post by Vegito
Study also finds that people posting BS like this on TSR are the least successful people in society and have nothing better to do in life. 😉
It's not BS, it's true. I only have to look inside my own house, and outside, to see it.
Currently, many, many muslim women in their 30s - 40s are not working. My mother isn't working, all the wives in that same age bracket in the area I live in (100% Muslim btw) aren't working, and I don't think ever intend to.
They can be split roughly into two categories:
-One type were either born here or immigrated here at a young age and were married off by their parents before they could consider furthering their education and improving career options. Most often however, these women are perfectly content on relying on a mixture of their husband's wages and income support/child benefits from the state.
-The other type moved here via marriage, in their late teens or early twenties. From the moment they step foot in the country, they are confined to a life as a housewife and are pressured to have children as soon as possible, by their in laws and husbands. Working, for them, is completely out of the question, and communities and families regard it a shameful thing that the daughter in law of a family should work. There is a bit of hope in a sense, as a fairly significant number of husbands do encourage their wives to work, but ultimately the decision is up to their in laws.
This is definitely not representitive of all Muslim women, but it is for many women in Pakistani and Bangldeshi communites, who make up a significant percentage of Muslims in the country.
Just to add, the number of Muslim women in their twenties, born, brought up, educated, with strong career plans, is high and is increasing, thankfully.
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Original post by inhuman
Did he say all or did he in fact say many?
The only ignorant people in this thread are those projecting their own experiences onto the majority of Muslim women. The ones that don't acknowledge that there is a difference to begin with for Muslim women if they are born in the UK say, or in say Pakistan.
The only ignorant people in this thread are those projecting their own experiences onto the majority of Muslim women. The ones that don't acknowledge that there is a difference to begin with for Muslim women if they are born in the UK say, or in say Pakistan.
he was in fact herding us all together I was merely replying to his previous point
Original post by Betelgeuse-
I think this article is a new low by progressives and the BBC, i really do. Suggesting that women who are held as subservient housewives in a backwards regressive culture and not allowed to do as their master husband say are being discriminated against by the big nasty white man
I am sure soon it will be white mens fault for female circumcision
1. Import millions of third worlders
2. Spends billions of the peoples money supporting them
3. Have the people living in costant terror fear and the occasional bombing or beheading
4. Blame the host country people for the failings of said horrible cultural practices
I am sure soon it will be white mens fault for female circumcision
1. Import millions of third worlders
2. Spends billions of the peoples money supporting them
3. Have the people living in costant terror fear and the occasional bombing or beheading
4. Blame the host country people for the failings of said horrible cultural practices
They want to normalise paedophilia, what else do you expect from such a group?
Original post by teenhorrorstory
What's your point?
For some, discouraging sexist relatives is a reality. Just because that's not the case for you doesn't mean you can just dismiss it as a mere myth.
For some, discouraging sexist relatives is a reality. Just because that's not the case for you doesn't mean you can just dismiss it as a mere myth.
I am in no way dismissing the fact that others are disadvantageous and have it much, much harder than I do- having deal with mysoginy and such.
I'm merely expressing my situation; I have honestly never had to deal with sexism/racism or anything degrading for that matter, which seems to be a preconceived idea ingrained into westerners minds- that we all somehow function alike?
Thankfully, as an African our parents have had to sacrifice ALOT for us and thus push us much harder to become more educated and to prosper.
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Original post by Betelgeuse-
I think this article is a new low by progressives and the BBC, i really do. Suggesting that women who are held as subservient housewives in a backwards regressive culture and not allowed to do as their master husband say are being discriminated against by the big nasty white man
I'm nearly crying because you just *get it* omg
Depends how you define success. For some its having a highly paid job and fame, while for others its having a kind husband who takes care of her every need and makes her happy, she feels complete with her husband.
Original post by noona__
I am in no way dismissing the fact that others are disadvantageous and have it much, much harder than I do- having deal with mysoginy and such.
I'm merely expressing my situation; I have honestly never had to deal with sexism/racism or anything degrading for that matter, which seems to be a preconceived idea ingrained into westerners minds- that we all somehow function alike?
Thankfully, as an African our parents have had to sacrifice ALOT for us and thus push us much harder to become more educated and to prosper.
I'm merely expressing my situation; I have honestly never had to deal with sexism/racism or anything degrading for that matter, which seems to be a preconceived idea ingrained into westerners minds- that we all somehow function alike?
Thankfully, as an African our parents have had to sacrifice ALOT for us and thus push us much harder to become more educated and to prosper.
That's good to hear, but I don't think the poster was attempting to make a generalisation to all Muslim females.
I'm African too and my family are the same!
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This doesn't surprise me. I think it's as much to do with our own [white British I mean] culture than theirs though, if not more. The thing is, yes, many Muslim women in older generations are home makers and have never gone for high paying careers but this is increasingly less true with younger generations who want to [and are supported by their families] go to university, build a career and so on.
However, they face so many discriminatory barriers (Muslim, female, often working class and first, second or third generation immigrant) that they are bound to be less successful overall and, whilst there are some highly successful and influential Muslim women, they are few, and we need to look at ourselves and ask why this is rather than attribute it to Islamic culture. A lot of attitudes need to change. Assumptions like 'their husbands won't let them work' do not help to change this situation. If you see a Muslim woman as a weak subservient you aren't going to hire her into a senior role are you?
Sorry this is a bit ranty but it makes me so angry
However, they face so many discriminatory barriers (Muslim, female, often working class and first, second or third generation immigrant) that they are bound to be less successful overall and, whilst there are some highly successful and influential Muslim women, they are few, and we need to look at ourselves and ask why this is rather than attribute it to Islamic culture. A lot of attitudes need to change. Assumptions like 'their husbands won't let them work' do not help to change this situation. If you see a Muslim woman as a weak subservient you aren't going to hire her into a senior role are you?
Sorry this is a bit ranty but it makes me so angry
Some might say it's down to more Muslim women being housewives, but aren't housewives a bit unnecessary nowadays?
I mean we have washing machines for clothes, dish washers to do the dishes (even without one, dishes don't take long), and kids go to school from 4 onwards (3 if they go to pre-school).
And cleaning hardly takes long...
I can't see why a wife can't work atleast part time if they don't have young kids (like 0-3 year olds) to look after...
Though at the same time, I suppose everyone's situation is different.
I mean we have washing machines for clothes, dish washers to do the dishes (even without one, dishes don't take long), and kids go to school from 4 onwards (3 if they go to pre-school).
And cleaning hardly takes long...
I can't see why a wife can't work atleast part time if they don't have young kids (like 0-3 year olds) to look after...
Though at the same time, I suppose everyone's situation is different.
Original post by Betelgeuse-
I think this article is a new low by progressives and the BBC, i really do. Suggesting that women who are held as subservient housewives in a backwards regressive culture and not allowed to do as their master husband say are being discriminated against by the big nasty white man
I am sure soon it will be white mens fault for female circumcision
1. Import millions of third worlders
2. Spends billions of the peoples money supporting them
3. Have the people living in costant terror fear and the occasional bombing or beheading
4. Blame the host country people for the failings of said horrible cultural practices
I am sure soon it will be white mens fault for female circumcision
1. Import millions of third worlders
2. Spends billions of the peoples money supporting them
3. Have the people living in costant terror fear and the occasional bombing or beheading
4. Blame the host country people for the failings of said horrible cultural practices
Original post by inhuman
I see. But am lost for words.
You know, you are so unbelievable, I think I am gonna put you on my ignore list. This is just incredible how you conduct yourself and the views you have. For example, so what if I bullied you? Does that automatically mean you can't have bullied me? Because that is what you just implied and it's simply wrong. Do you not see the kind of flawed arguments and logic you write? Gah, it's unbearable.
You know, you are so unbelievable, I think I am gonna put you on my ignore list. This is just incredible how you conduct yourself and the views you have. For example, so what if I bullied you? Does that automatically mean you can't have bullied me? Because that is what you just implied and it's simply wrong. Do you not see the kind of flawed arguments and logic you write? Gah, it's unbearable.
Go ahead. It's not like I want to be associated with a person like you anyway. Makes no difference to me.
Original post by AperfectBalance
The suffering of Muslim women is far greater than the suffering of women and man.
They are oppressed, held like slaves for men in some parts of the world
not allowed out without a escort
expected to not have a job in most Islamic countries
Not allowed to drive in a certain part of the world.
and many of your high up priests or whatnots allow this and advocate this
And much of it is put off as "oh we are protecting them"
They are oppressed, held like slaves for men in some parts of the world
not allowed out without a escort
expected to not have a job in most Islamic countries
Not allowed to drive in a certain part of the world.
and many of your high up priests or whatnots allow this and advocate this
And much of it is put off as "oh we are protecting them"
Why do you feel the need to explain or discuss? The numbers are facts. Everything else is Muslims defending their culture (how surprising). Exception confirms the rule.
Only Muslims willing to convert to modern civilization (i.e. women have basic human rights) should be allowed into any Western country, just like you would be punished for discriminating against black people (and invent a religion for it).
Muslims, your religion is so backward that even oil won't save it for long.
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