Banning the burkini is misogynist

That given the issues the Muslim world has and the abhorrent treatment of minorities and females asking a feminist to be concerned with one beach in France rather than the wide scale abuse that is Islam and Muslim culture is rather Ironic.

It is. Women of all faiths should have the freedom to choose how they dress.


We can't claim to have a monopoly on freedom if that freedom is not extended to Muslims.

So your argument essentially is: this is bad but theres worse things that are happening out there therefore we should allow this to happen?

Personally I see it as the mayor being a pervert. He just wants to see some skin. No one cares when men cover up...They only care when women cover up, in what appears to be basically a wet suit

People could say "Oh they're forced to wear it" but honestly, it looks quite tight that it's highly unlikely that they were forced to wear it and if they were indeed made to wear said clothes, then they'd be confined to the indoors. You can't expect people to integrate when you alienate people

I disagree... You can choose to wear a wet suit or rash vest or a bikini or a swimsuit, but the burkini is not a choice in the same way. One day you might wear a bikini and the next a full body wet suit. If you are restricted to just a burkini then it is not really a choice. I find it tragically sad that some women cannot even go to a beach or participate in sport without feeling that they must dress a certain way...

The only misogyny here is a religion that treats women as a lower class than men, than condones their abuse and subservience to their husbands. Then the people who have read this book feel they have no choice but wear a burkini or face the persecution of their god try to defend it as an example of freedom...

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then the Muslim women can wear that then

who the hell cares? its just a swimsuit

You're wrong anyway, it's the French who are making faith special



These burkinis look similar to standard wetsuits with a T-shirt over the top, it's only because they are related to Islam the French seem to be so triggered.

A wetsuit, t-shirt and hat doesn't convey your religious belief to others and perhaps pressure others into adopting similar clothing which perhaps they may not want to wear.

But but but it has a MUSLAMIC name. Therefore it must be banned. See my post above. Baconandsauce seems to be OK with swimsuits, but not if they're called any thing vaguely Arabic name...

Exactly. If I, a white woman of no faith wore an equivalent of a burkini in France, and gave reasons such as body issues, would they still ban me from wearing it?
I don't see how reasons concerning faith or body issues are any different in how they justify the removal of freedom to wear what you choose.

It is. Women of all faiths should have the freedom to choose how they dress.


We can't claim to have a monopoly on freedom if that freedom is not extended to Muslims.

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/burkini-cannes-islamophobia-banning-the-burkini-is-misogynistic-and-western-feminists-are-turning-a-a7188806.html

Thoughts?

I was reading the article of the Egyptian vs German womens volleyball game at the Olympics and the furore was over the difference between both outfits. The Egyptian women were naturally playing the game fully covered with a hijab whilst the German team were wearing tiny little panties and a sports bra and the comments were pathetic, everyone saying the Egyptian women were "oppressed" and looked ridiculous etc and had zilch to say about the other woman. If you ask me both uniforms were ridiculous, yes there was no reason for the Muslim women to be that fully covered but there was equally no reason for the non-Muslim women to be that uncovered! so basically the message they wanted to get across is that if you don't want to be perceived as "oppressed" then play the game near-naked. Some people are so dumb...

So when Nigella Lawson wore one, she was conveying her religious beliefs was she? And she was pressuring others in to adopting similar clothing was she?On the flip side, how many women (and indeed men) feel like "Actually I have a bit of fat that I'm a bit insecure about, and I'd prefer to cover up" but societal pressure says that they should wear a bikini or go topless (But again, for men it's seemingly more OK to NOT go topless)

I disagree... You can choose to wear a wet suit or rash vest or a bikini or a swimsuit, but the burkini is not a choice in the same way. One day you might wear a bikini and the next a full body wet suit. If you are restricted to just a burkini then it is not really a choice. I find it tragically sad that some women cannot even go to a beach or participate in sport without feeling that they must dress a certain way...

The only misogyny here is a religion that treats women as a lower class than men, than condones their abuse and subservience to their husbands. Then the people who have read this book feel they have no choice but wear a burkini or face the persecution of their god try to defend it as an example of freedom...

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I am curious what you 2 think of full-body Burkas and their implications as a possible security risk? Should they be allowed?

A muslim would argue that

A non muslim sees it as a from of enforced misogyny.

Perhaps rather than Muslims trying to tell us we are wrong they go somewhere else that supports their views and let us have our own views than you very much.

Well, thanks for that. So you will agree that these kind of pressures exist in society since you've gone ahead and made this comparison for me. Wearing something in public can pressure others. Now the difference between these two cases are according to the Islamic teaching women HAVE TO DRESS MODERATELY, unlike people hiding fat out of insecurity. In fact you even said it yourself!
"I'd prefer to cover up."
Surely you can see the difference lol

The burkini is quite tight fitting. Men who MAKE their women wear certain clothes tend not to want women wearing any thing that has tight clothing. Nigella Lawson wore one. Did she not make a free choice too? Was she forced? And let's say women are forced. Do you wish to then confine them to the indoors?

Notice how no one seems to care when men decide to cover up? Why is it OK for men to cover up, but not women? FYI, I see it as "Wear the burkini, wear a bikini. Wear whatever you want"




So.. Muslim women can wear what is effectively a burkini without calling it a burkini... What logic