Why are pushy vegans so pushy?
Hi everyone 
I met this girl at school, we sat next to each other in Biology, Chemistry, Physics and occasionally Maths. We didn't talk much, but we got along fairly well.
Once we left school we got a lot closer, we'd go circuit training together and a few festivals as well. For the past few months she's been really pushing on me that she's a vegan, and so has her friend. We'll be out looking for some new trainers or whatever, and she'd say "oh my god it's so bad to eat meat I need to send you this documentary".
We'd also go out and whenever I'd eat something she didn't agree with she'd really push it onto me why it's so bad. Every time I mention that I've got a health problem it's immediately "because eat meat and dairy and eggs and...."
I've got another vegan friend and whenever I eat something he doesn't agree with he'd say "I'm not trying to be horrible, I'm not being nasty but it's really disgusting that you're eating that. It's literally disgusting and I can't believe you're eating that"
It's got to the point that I feel like I can't eat much around my friends because I'm worried that they're going to rant to me about how bad it is.
Why are some vegans so pushy? It genuinely makes me not want to be friends with them because I can't stand to listen to another rant about how bad my food is.
I met this girl at school, we sat next to each other in Biology, Chemistry, Physics and occasionally Maths. We didn't talk much, but we got along fairly well.
Once we left school we got a lot closer, we'd go circuit training together and a few festivals as well. For the past few months she's been really pushing on me that she's a vegan, and so has her friend. We'll be out looking for some new trainers or whatever, and she'd say "oh my god it's so bad to eat meat I need to send you this documentary".
We'd also go out and whenever I'd eat something she didn't agree with she'd really push it onto me why it's so bad. Every time I mention that I've got a health problem it's immediately "because eat meat and dairy and eggs and...."
I've got another vegan friend and whenever I eat something he doesn't agree with he'd say "I'm not trying to be horrible, I'm not being nasty but it's really disgusting that you're eating that. It's literally disgusting and I can't believe you're eating that"
It's got to the point that I feel like I can't eat much around my friends because I'm worried that they're going to rant to me about how bad it is.
Why are some vegans so pushy? It genuinely makes me not want to be friends with them because I can't stand to listen to another rant about how bad my food is.
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Original post by Sorani
Get better friends. Unless they find more of their own they'll wither and die if they have no one around them to feel superior to.
Original post by SeanFM
Perhaps you can put your foot down and ask the vegans you're friends with not to make such comments (in as polite a way as possible..!) or just ignore them / cut them out all together. You don't have to change how you eat / feel worried about it because of someone else.
Yeah, I'm thinking of just not continuing to talk to her after we've been to Leeds (we're going together). It was just nice to have a friend but it seems she's always trying to be the better one
You should point out to your vegan friends that they are stupid...
But caveat it by saying that it's not their fault then point them to this article:
http://time.com/4252373/meat-eating-veganism-evolution/
It says that eating meat allowed us to grow bigger brains and become more intelligent. They would have known this if their brains weren't so smaller from eating a vegan diet.
But caveat it by saying that it's not their fault then point them to this article:
http://time.com/4252373/meat-eating-veganism-evolution/
It says that eating meat allowed us to grow bigger brains and become more intelligent. They would have known this if their brains weren't so smaller from eating a vegan diet.
yo! please don't turn this into a vegan hate thread, I'm a vegetarian transitioning into veganism which is my personal decision just as eating meat is yours - i promise not all vegans are pushy vegans, my best guess is people like freelee the banana girl are so passionate about veganism they want to share it with other people and just go about it in the wrong way! your friends shouldn't be pushing it on you, they should just accept the fact you are choosing not to be vegan - just tell them you are not interested and if they don't listen then get better friends
Original post by Amefish
Hi everyone
I met this girl at school, we sat next to each other in Biology, Chemistry, Physics and occasionally Maths. We didn't talk much, but we got along fairly well.
Once we left school we got a lot closer, we'd go circuit training together and a few festivals as well. For the past few months she's been really pushing on me that she's a vegan, and so has her friend. We'll be out looking for some new trainers or whatever, and she'd say "oh my god it's so bad to eat meat I need to send you this documentary".
We'd also go out and whenever I'd eat something she didn't agree with she'd really push it onto me why it's so bad. Every time I mention that I've got a health problem it's immediately "because eat meat and dairy and eggs and...."
I've got another vegan friend and whenever I eat something he doesn't agree with he'd say "I'm not trying to be horrible, I'm not being nasty but it's really disgusting that you're eating that. It's literally disgusting and I can't believe you're eating that"
It's got to the point that I feel like I can't eat much around my friends because I'm worried that they're going to rant to me about how bad it is.
Why are some vegans so pushy? It genuinely makes me not want to be friends with them because I can't stand to listen to another rant about how bad my food is.
I met this girl at school, we sat next to each other in Biology, Chemistry, Physics and occasionally Maths. We didn't talk much, but we got along fairly well.
Once we left school we got a lot closer, we'd go circuit training together and a few festivals as well. For the past few months she's been really pushing on me that she's a vegan, and so has her friend. We'll be out looking for some new trainers or whatever, and she'd say "oh my god it's so bad to eat meat I need to send you this documentary".
We'd also go out and whenever I'd eat something she didn't agree with she'd really push it onto me why it's so bad. Every time I mention that I've got a health problem it's immediately "because eat meat and dairy and eggs and...."
I've got another vegan friend and whenever I eat something he doesn't agree with he'd say "I'm not trying to be horrible, I'm not being nasty but it's really disgusting that you're eating that. It's literally disgusting and I can't believe you're eating that"
It's got to the point that I feel like I can't eat much around my friends because I'm worried that they're going to rant to me about how bad it is.
Why are some vegans so pushy? It genuinely makes me not want to be friends with them because I can't stand to listen to another rant about how bad my food is.
I get really annoyed by people like your friends: I'm a vegan myself and people who fulfil the 'pushy' stereotype just make life difficult for everyone else!
In essence, these people go on (and on) because they're passionate about what they believe in. I think that consuming animal products and the whole system of animal agriculture is absolutely abhorrent, and seeing people openly not caring about the issues raised (i.e. ridiculing it) makes me very emotional. However, there's a time and a place! I will only speak my views if somebody else starts the discussion first; I don't want to preach at anybody, but I'm more than happy to have an intelligent discussion where I can hear other people's points of views also. To be honest, I've encountered more pushy meat-eaters in real life than I have vegans: I think the pushiness says more about the person than about whatever moral thought they advocate, if that makes sense?!
I do share the view of these 'pushy vegans' though that I would like more people to be vegan: in my opinion, it's not only morally better, but it's objectively better in terms of health and the environment. I would, however, rather to spread awareness through education and by example - i.e. showing nicely cooked vegan meals and not making a big deal of it rather than, as your friends do, openly shouting down whatever you do/buy/eat. I don't try to 'convert' people, but I would hope that me just passively going about my business and setting a 'good' example (can't think of better wording) would do far more than just starting a confrontation and putting people off!
Basically, we're not all like that, and if your friends keep being pushy regardless of your feelings, then they're not the kind of people I would be friends with, vegan or otherwise!
(edited 7 years ago)
Original post by !!mentor!!
You should point out to your vegan friends that they are stupid...
But caveat it by saying that it's not their fault then point them to this article:
http://time.com/4252373/meat-eating-veganism-evolution/
It says that eating meat allowed us to grow bigger brains and become more intelligent. They would have known this if their brains weren't so smaller from eating a vegan diet.
But caveat it by saying that it's not their fault then point them to this article:
http://time.com/4252373/meat-eating-veganism-evolution/
It says that eating meat allowed us to grow bigger brains and become more intelligent. They would have known this if their brains weren't so smaller from eating a vegan diet.
The only complaint I'll make on this thread (sorry I promise I won't rant), but this is the kind of 'pushy meat-eater' comment that annoys me as I said above. I get people every day just throwing stuff like this at me with the kind of "hey answer this because you're wrong" attitude: I'll happily have a conversation about the health benefits and our evolutionary history because actually that sounds like an interesting debate and I, probably unlike the 'pushy vegans', would like to learn more. However, the thing ethical vegans disagree with is the mass commercialisation of animal agriculture - maybe humans were evolved to eat meat and I don't know enough to comment, but it's our modern practices that I personally disagree with.
I'm not going to be pushy and say that the contents of that article are 100% wrong like some would, but suggesting that someone should just throw blind figures in the face of vegans is doing exactly the same thing that the OP is complaining about, just from the other perspective.
(Disclaimer - please don't hate me, I'm trying to explain my point without sounding confrontational or patronising, I promise)
Not all vegans are like that, but unfortunately many are and you happen to have these types as friends. Do it back to them every time they eat, so they can see how annoying it is. Phrases like "How can you be happy on such a bland diet?" and "You're taking that food from the mouths of animals, hope you're happy with yourself!", or if they've got a health problem "Probably malnourished, try varying your diet a bit". These statements are of course a bit simplistic and almost baseless, but so are theirs. You have to listen to their drivel, so give some back. You sometimes have to fight fire with fire.
Find new friends.
But this situation reminds me of this video: [video="youtube;z0O_VYcsIk8"]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z0O_VYcsIk8[/video]
But this situation reminds me of this video: [video="youtube;z0O_VYcsIk8"]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z0O_VYcsIk8[/video]
Original post by Lainathiel
The only complaint I'll make on this thread (sorry I promise I won't rant), but this is the kind of 'pushy meat-eater' comment that annoys me as I said above. I get people every day just throwing stuff like this at me with the kind of "hey answer this because you're wrong" attitude: I'll happily have a conversation about the health benefits and our evolutionary history because actually that sounds like an interesting debate and I, probably unlike the 'pushy vegans', would like to learn more. However, the thing ethical vegans disagree with is the mass commercialisation of animal agriculture - maybe humans were evolved to eat meat and I don't know enough to comment, but it's our modern practices that I personally disagree with.
I'm not going to be pushy and say that the contents of that article are 100% wrong like some would, but suggesting that someone should just throw blind figures in the face of vegans is doing exactly the same thing that the OP is complaining about, just from the other perspective.
(Disclaimer - please don't hate me, I'm trying to explain my point without sounding confrontational or patronising, I promise)
I'm not going to be pushy and say that the contents of that article are 100% wrong like some would, but suggesting that someone should just throw blind figures in the face of vegans is doing exactly the same thing that the OP is complaining about, just from the other perspective.
(Disclaimer - please don't hate me, I'm trying to explain my point without sounding confrontational or patronising, I promise)
Don't worry. It's all cool. I just put forward that post because the vegan friends the OP mentioned sounded like stereotypical vegan preachers, telling or insinuating that meat eaters are bad people.
When I come across ignorance, i'll usually respond with ignorance in an attempt to highlight said ignorance.
But you sound like a descent vegan / vegetarian who can engage in thoughtful debate without being judgmental. I can get down with that.
All vegans I've come across are like that, it really is annoying.
I've actually gotten in an argument with a vegan before. Basically this girl said she used butter in her recipe and these vegans were posting really mean comments about it. So I said something along the lines of "there's no need to be so rude. If you want to promote veganism at least do it it a nicer way." Later on this vegan was basically saying "I don't care, she should not be eating this stuff. Do you know how bad it is for the environment?!" Like she was completely missing the point of what I said.
I've actually gotten in an argument with a vegan before. Basically this girl said she used butter in her recipe and these vegans were posting really mean comments about it. So I said something along the lines of "there's no need to be so rude. If you want to promote veganism at least do it it a nicer way." Later on this vegan was basically saying "I don't care, she should not be eating this stuff. Do you know how bad it is for the environment?!" Like she was completely missing the point of what I said.
New age hippies. They feel like they are a part of some great cause.
I say go to a restaurant with them and order the largest, sexiest steak on the menu. If they dispute your choice, then order another for takeaway.
I say go to a restaurant with them and order the largest, sexiest steak on the menu. If they dispute your choice, then order another for takeaway.
They believe they occupy the moral high ground, so anybody's else's opinions (and feelings) immediately become irrelevant in their minds
Eat whatever the hell you fancy, OP. If they won't drop it and continue to make you feel uncomfortable, drop them as friends. You don't need to be made to feel like that over food.
Eat whatever the hell you fancy, OP. If they won't drop it and continue to make you feel uncomfortable, drop them as friends. You don't need to be made to feel like that over food.
Original post by Amefish
Hi everyone
I met this girl at school, we sat next to each other in Biology, Chemistry, Physics and occasionally Maths. We didn't talk much, but we got along fairly well.
Once we left school we got a lot closer, we'd go circuit training together and a few festivals as well. For the past few months she's been really pushing on me that she's a vegan, and so has her friend. We'll be out looking for some new trainers or whatever, and she'd say "oh my god it's so bad to eat meat I need to send you this documentary".
We'd also go out and whenever I'd eat something she didn't agree with she'd really push it onto me why it's so bad. Every time I mention that I've got a health problem it's immediately "because eat meat and dairy and eggs and...."
I've got another vegan friend and whenever I eat something he doesn't agree with he'd say "I'm not trying to be horrible, I'm not being nasty but it's really disgusting that you're eating that. It's literally disgusting and I can't believe you're eating that"
It's got to the point that I feel like I can't eat much around my friends because I'm worried that they're going to rant to me about how bad it is.
Why are some vegans so pushy? It genuinely makes me not want to be friends with them because I can't stand to listen to another rant about how bad my food is.
I met this girl at school, we sat next to each other in Biology, Chemistry, Physics and occasionally Maths. We didn't talk much, but we got along fairly well.
Once we left school we got a lot closer, we'd go circuit training together and a few festivals as well. For the past few months she's been really pushing on me that she's a vegan, and so has her friend. We'll be out looking for some new trainers or whatever, and she'd say "oh my god it's so bad to eat meat I need to send you this documentary".
We'd also go out and whenever I'd eat something she didn't agree with she'd really push it onto me why it's so bad. Every time I mention that I've got a health problem it's immediately "because eat meat and dairy and eggs and...."
I've got another vegan friend and whenever I eat something he doesn't agree with he'd say "I'm not trying to be horrible, I'm not being nasty but it's really disgusting that you're eating that. It's literally disgusting and I can't believe you're eating that"
It's got to the point that I feel like I can't eat much around my friends because I'm worried that they're going to rant to me about how bad it is.
Why are some vegans so pushy? It genuinely makes me not want to be friends with them because I can't stand to listen to another rant about how bad my food is.
It is annoying. However, humans do need to face up to the fact that we are destroying the planet and our treatment of animals is hugely unethical. As a vegetarian I would never push my ideals on anyone, I only explain my views if someone asks...yet what I would like to see is a lack of ignorance. I want people to be completely aware of the way their meat was raised and the impact of the meat industry on the environment, so they can make an informed decision. But yeah vegans can be nightmares.
Original post by Lainathiel
The only complaint I'll make on this thread (sorry I promise I won't rant), but this is the kind of 'pushy meat-eater' comment that annoys me as I said above. I get people every day just throwing stuff like this at me with the kind of "hey answer this because you're wrong" attitude: I'll happily have a conversation about the health benefits and our evolutionary history because actually that sounds like an interesting debate and I, probably unlike the 'pushy vegans', would like to learn more. However, the thing ethical vegans disagree with is the mass commercialisation of animal agriculture - maybe humans were evolved to eat meat and I don't know enough to comment, but it's our modern practices that I personally disagree with.I'm not going to be pushy and say that the contents of that article are 100% wrong like some would, but suggesting that someone should just throw blind figures in the face of vegans is doing exactly the same thing that the OP is complaining about, just from the other perspective.(Disclaimer - please don't hate me, I'm trying to explain my point without sounding confrontational or patronising, I promise)
Yeeees<3
(edited 7 years ago)
Original post by XMaramena
Because they're pushy vegans.
There are not pushy vegans as well, and they're not pushy.
You answered your own question with your title.
/thread*
There are not pushy vegans as well, and they're not pushy.
You answered your own question with your title.
/thread*
Haha, such truth
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