Police not recruiting many BME groups

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Lets see, there are less blacks than whites in the Uk, There are less Muslims in the uk than white people (Yes I know muslim and white are not mutually exclusive) there are far less black muslims that want to be police officers in the uk than white people who want to become police officers. so obviously there are more white police officers and probably more black police officers than black muslim officers.

And for jobs like that we should be hiring the most qualified not because they are black or muslim.

If you are offended at me using the word black, grow up.

Reply 21

Radisson Blue

Original post by redleader1

Why do we think this is ? I mean forces who are recruiting this year are saying they want a more diverse recruitment. But the question is why isnt the police force as diverse ? I know a lot of people who are from different backgrounds who apply but might not get in.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-36348750

1. Police force is institutionally racist
2. BME people do not apply because of point 1)

Simple.

Reply 22

sdotd

so basically the best person for the job will likely not get the job

Reply 23

jape

Original post by Radisson Blue

1. Police force is institutionally racist
2. BME people do not apply because of point 1)

Simple.

Going to need a citation on that one.

Reply 24

Joep95

Original post by Mathemagicien

IIRC, there was a Guardian article where that was seen as out of date. Brb, I'll check Tumblr for the proper term.

Don't do it, save yourself.

Reply 25

Joep95

Original post by Radisson Blue

1. Police force is institutionally racist
2. BME people do not apply because of point 1)

Simple.

If they are institutionally racist then why in a country that is 87.2% white do whites make up over 90% of deaths in police custody?

(edited 7 years ago)

Reply 26

Jammy Duel

Original post by joecphillips

If they are institutionally racist then why in a country that is 87.2% white do whites make up over 90% of deaths in police custody?

And if we switch it from population demographics to crime demographics how much worse does the institutional racism against whites get?

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Reply 27

redleader1

Original post by TheThiefOfBagdad

The police force is seen (and, in the past, has been proved) to be institutionally racist.

Evidence ?

Reply 28

redleader1

Original post by Radisson Blue

1. Police force is institutionally racist
2. BME people do not apply because of point 1)

Simple.

Evidence

Reply 29

redleader1

Original post by Electrospective

Here's a crazy thought.

Maybe just maybe, not many BME peeps are applying.

And a crazy question to follow up on that crazy statement.

Why does skin colour matter in policing?

Spoiler

Skin colour shouldn't matter, however why do the police need to address this ? If people dont want to apply then fine. Why does it need to be addressed ? Policing can still be efficient with the officer we have now

Reply 30

redleader1

Original post by TorpidPhil

BME officers are important and its one instance of positive discrimination I agree with. West Yorkshire police though are doing MASSIVE amounts of work to try to persuade more BME to trust the police and join us. Join the dark side :wink:

But why do the police need to persuade BME groups to join ? If someone wants to apply they will apply is there any need for the 'positive action' ?

Reply 31

Juichiro

Original post by Betelgeuse-

(I say generally because there are so many instances of black USA criminals abusing black police calling them uncle toms / sellouts etc)

You can't put US policemen and UK policemen in the same category based on actions of the former. There is an on-going issue in the US regarding guns and police training. That is irrelevant to the UK.

It's like saying that we should stop selling sweets in the UK because US kids eat too much food with high content of sugar.

Reply 32

Radisson Blue

Original post by joecphillips

If they are institutionally racist then why in a country that is 87.2% white do whites make up over 90% of deaths in police custody?

You just answered your own question

Reply 33

Electrospective

Original post by redleader1

Okay....

Reply 34

TorpidPhil

Original post by Electrospective

Racist

Spoiler

Armed forces officer?

Spoiler

Authorised Firearms Officer. Close :wink:

It's basically our version of SWAT.

Bi.

Reply 35

TorpidPhil

Original post by redleader1

But why do the police need to persuade BME groups to join ? If someone wants to apply they will apply is there any need for the 'positive action' ?

As already stated because BME people are way more effective at dealing with crimes in their respective areas, so it is very important for a force to have people that represent them that are of the same ethnic make-up pretty much.

Building up a rapport with a community is very important because the police do not have the resources to watch literally everyone and so they rely on the community for a lot of their intel and of course, to report crimes in the first place. Having ethnic officers patrol that area is a great way to start to build up community rapport, yet they cannot do it if they lack them!

Reply 36

Electrospective

Original post by TorpidPhil

Authorised Firearms Officer. Close :wink:

It's basically our version of SWAT.

Bi.

So close.

Spoiler

Reply 37

CJTWhite

They said a "diversity champion" should be appointed to hold forces to account.

What sort of world do we live in, they're running out of useless ways to spend public money.

Reply 38

HucktheForde

Original post by Electrospective

Here's a crazy thought.

Maybe just maybe, not many BME peeps are applying.

And a crazy question to follow up on that crazy statement.

Why does skin colour matter in policing?

Spoiler

What is BME?

anyway for jobs related to community service its good to have a bit of diversity. Helps to increase understanding of police for different communities and reduce conflict.

Reply 39

Electrospective

Original post by HucktheForde

What is BME?

anyway for jobs related to community service its good to have a bit of diversity. Helps to increase understanding of police for different communities and reduce conflict.