French mayor bans burkinis

I don't think I understood what you said. I never said terrorists aren't related to Islam.

How is that comparable? That's like trying to compare us allowing a white t-shirt with black text on saying "[insert quirky catchphrase here]" but banning a white t-shirt with black text on with grossly racist language. It's the symbol rather than the literal garment that is in question here.



I don't like the idea of segregated beaches for either - but it appears many who are saying this burkini ban is unjust are conveniently forgetting that France also bans nudism in public on the basis of social and moral justifications.

When was the last time you heard about a jewish or christian suicide bomber? Its not unreasonable considering 200 people have been killed in the last 2 years for the french to want to limit extreme versions of Islam.And tbh if you cant go swimming without having your hair uncovered then you are taking islam to the extreme and hence more likely to be an islamic extremist.

There's no rule against clothing on nudist beaches. If you wear a top nobody bats an eyelid.

But if you had a burkini beach, it wouldn't be acceptable to wear a bikini, would it? There'd definitely be some tensions there... Also I gotta say, not sure if many men would attend that one o.O

And no it's not. If this was called a wetsuit, NO ONE would have an issue with it. Exactly what does this represent? You wouldn't be wearing this any where except on the damn beach



Well Bush went in to Iraq because "God told him to" Now he didn't commit suicide but he certainly bombed a lot of people... Oh and FYI, there have been Christian and Jewish extremists too. Exactly how is the burkini an extreme version of Islam? It's not exactly loose fitting even is it? And what? Many south Asian women will want to wear it too, regardless of faith. Many women may also decide to wear it, if they want to hide their fat... Again, why is it never an issue when a man covers up?

That was a war thats different than killing random civilians.Yes there was a lot of collateral damage but intentions matter we didnt go there purely to terrorise the population.Let me put it this way if we had perfect weapons that never missed their targets then we'd only kill soldiers or terrorists.If terrorists had perfect weapons then they'd kill lots of civilians.So intentions do matter.There have been christian and jewish extremists but the current issue is radical islam.And also were they motivated by their religion?Islamic extremists are motivated by Islam.Many of them even say they're motivated by it.Are you really going to deny a terrorists own words on what motivates him?And yes it is an extreme version of Islam when wonen cover from head to toe.As Islam teaches that women have to cover up but not necessarily where a burka.Then yes you are taking it to the extreme if you wear a burka or something thats pretty much the same as one.Its usually a man forcing a woman to cover up, if a man does it its more likely to be out of free choice.

That was a war thats different than killing random civilians.Yes there was a lot of collateral damage but intentions matter we didnt go there purely to terrorise the population.Let me put it this way if we had perfect weapons that never missed their targets then we'd only kill soldiers or terrorists.If terrorists had perfect weapons then they'd kill lots of civilians.So intentions do matter.There have been christian and jewish extremists but the current issue is radical islam.And also were they motivated by their religion?Islamic extremists are motivated by Islam.Many of them even say they're motivated by it.Are you really going to deny a terrorists own words on what motivates him?And yes it is an extreme version of Islam when wonen cover from head to toe.As Islam teaches that women have to cover up but not necessarily where a burka.Then yes you are taking it to the extreme if you wear a burka or something thats pretty much the same as one.Its usually a man forcing a woman to cover up, if a man does it its more likely to be out of free choice.

OK to put it another way:Breivik has killed people in the name of his religion
As have the LRA
As have the IRAAs have the KKKAs have abortion clinic bombers
As has the Christian who murdered a gay prson because they're gay..

Britain First are fine with burning mosques with people inside

And no, we have extreme Christian and extreme Muslims right here right now... Your original point was "Oh there aren't Christian extremists" and now you're saying "Oh they're all now Muslim" even when that isn't true Oh and FYI, his actions did make Iraq a lot more unsafe as a result, so yes I'd call him an extremist, especially when "God told him to" drop those bombs.... Only an idiot believes that "dropping bombs will make them all love us"

How do you know a man is making the woman cover up? Also, do you honestly believe that a burkini is going to be forced upon by a man, when it is fairly tight fitting?As far as I'm concerned, you just want to perv on more women, because you don't give a **** if men cover up.. (Possibly from head to toe, too)

I wasn't aware you had qualifications in the study of the Qur'an and Islamic law. From which prestigious institute did you graduate from? Google? BBC?

Why wouldn't it be acceptable to wear a bikini on said beaches? And let's face it, in reality, on a nudist beach, the vast vast majority of people will be stark naked.

When was the last time you heard about a jewish or christian suicide bomber? Its not unreasonable considering 200 people have been killed in the last 2 years for the french to want to limit extreme versions of Islam.And tbh if you cant go swimming without having your hair uncovered then you are taking islam to the extreme and hence more likely to be an islamic extremist.

By controlling what women can and can't wear, we are effectively placing ourselves on the same level as Saudi Arabia.

A woman wearing a burkini doesn't necessarily mean she follows an extreme interpretation of Islam.

Given there are some who don't do this then yes this would be on the end of the extreme spectrum

A woman wearing a burkini doesn't necessarily mean she follows an extreme interpretation of Islam. Some of the most liberal Muslims I have come across have worn the hijab. The burkini provides near enough the same extent of coverage that your average hijab wearing Muslim has. Quite simply, the burkini is not a burka.

Now obviously there has been a recent issue with extreme interpretations of Islam in France, as seen from the multiple terrorist attacks we have all seen. And there is no doubt that some action needs to be taken to counter this extreme interpretation of Islam. But I don't think the answer is in telling women what they can and can't wear. By controlling what women can and can't wear, we are effectively placing ourselves on the same level as Saudi Arabia.

There surely must be better methods to tackling extreme interpretations of Islam without having to forgo the rights and freedoms we extend to all citizens.

Its incredibly ironic that in the west women have finally been freed from oppression and they can finally wear whatever they want.And yet you're now essentially arguing for a womans right to be oppressed if she chooses it.

To use an analogy its as though we abolished slavery and then have some slaves of a certain culture saying actually we quite liked being slaves.How dare you take away our choice of being slaves? Its just ironic and stupid.

Well that makes two of us then.You said correlation doesnt equal causation.What were you on about then?

Its incredibly ironic that in the west women have finally been freed from oppression and they can finally wear whatever they want.And yet you're now essentially arguing for a womans right to be oppressed if she chooses it.To use an analogy its as though we abolished slavery and then have some slaves of a certain culture saying actually we quite liked being slaves.How dare you take away our choice of being slaves? Its just ironic and stupid.

If we're making silly comparison, let's play Harriet Harman. How dare women choose a lower paying, less hours job and oppress themselves, it doesn't match my narrative.
Or Facebook, how dare women don't choose computer science and oppress themselves, meaning we can't get 50/50 in tech jobs and show off. So oppressive...

Burkini =/= Burka

There is a case for oppression in an enforced culture of the niqab (and hijab), and where women are told to be segregated and to stay away from non-muslims and non-women etc, but not whilst they are at a beach surrounded by non-muslims enjoying themselves under the warm french sun in a glorified wet suit (yes it is just a glorified wet suit, nothing more, nothing less). If there were cases where there are women who want to wear a swimsuit but told (maybe forcefully) to wear this instead, then you have a case...