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Why aren't enough Muslims integrating into British society?

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Original post by alevelstresss
Its complete BS that they aren't integrating, lmfao, we have a Muslim mayor for christs' sake


that's one person - is that an entire demographic? :lol: god
and by the way, I'd never say that SK was an example of a perfectly integrated muslim when he called moderate muslims "uncle toms"
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Original post by HAnwar
Increasing Islamophobia is just one of the reasons.

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This. I will keep strong with my belief and way of life I chose. I am happy being a Muslim, no amount of hate is going to change that hopefully.
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Isn't it due to their religion mainly e.g the teachings?
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Original post by HanaKimi
I can't access the entire article. What does it fully state? From the little I was able to read it's not an adequate sample to use to make such awful generation. The majority of Muslims are law abiding and contributing members of the British society and economy.





650 Muslims in the British armed forces: https://www.theguardian.com/news/reality-check/2015/dec/11/donald-trump-needs-check-facts-british-muslims-isis#img-2
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Original post by h333
This. I will keep strong with my belief and way of life I chose. I am happy being a Muslim, no amount of hate is going to change that hopefully.


Same x

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Original post by HAnwar


:smile: <3
They think their culture is superior.

How often do you see posts on TSR about how western society is supposedly failing because we actually allow people to divorce without stoning them... Lol
Original post by sleepysnooze
that's one person - is that an entire demographic? :lol: god
and by the way, I'd never say that SK was an example of a perfectly integrated muslim when he called moderate muslims "uncle toms"


It's not one person though is it... don't be so naive.

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Original post by 1010marina
They think their culture is superior.

How often do you see posts on TSR about how western society is supposedly failing because we actually allow people to divorce without stoning them... Lol


I haven't seen one. :dontknow:

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Original post by sleepysnooze
that's one person - is that an entire demographic? :lol: god
and by the way, I'd never say that SK was an example of a perfectly integrated muslim when he called moderate muslims "uncle toms"


Obviously more than 1 Muslim has integrated, I've got no reason to take your hate speech seriously when you refuted your own argument accidentally.
I reckon the upcoming and next generation of muslims will be more 'integrated', as currently it's mostly the first generation of muslims who have immigrated into the country (over 50% born outside Britain according to Telegraph) seeking refuge, or for other valid reasons. And so to speak, would find a hard time integrating as they wouldn't fluently know the English language, and would be facing the current rise in islamophobia. Having said that, I have noticed a pattern of segregation of socialisation in the schools that I have attended between the girls in headscarves from the others, which doesn't aid the situation.
Original post by alevelstresss
Obviously more than 1 Muslim has integrated, I've got no reason to take your hate speech seriously when you refuted your own argument accidentally.


the link didn't even have references actually, how did I refute myself? :lol: you're quite optimistic - perfect example of confirmation bias

and it's quite adorable that your only argument is "more than one muslim has integrated" as if that's a ****ing achievement - most of them live in sectioned-off ghettos and slums in bradford, birmingham, leicester, etc

oh yeah, and "hate speech"? so criticism of nazis is hate speech too?
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Original post by 1010marina
They think their culture is superior.

How often do you see posts on TSR about how western society is supposedly failing because we actually allow people to divorce without stoning them... Lol


Just as often as we see trolls posting about 'how western society is supposedly failing because we actually allow people to divorce without stoning them'.
They clearly don't want to. France has the right approach. The entire western world should follow it.
Original post by TorpidPhil
Quite clearly it is the opposite.

Islam is not in line with western values and thus integration is difficult unless the Muslim puts aside some of those core values.

When they don't you get multiple, very different cultures living alongside one another. This causes Islamophobia. This caused Islamic terrorism and that causes racism. This makes the societies less likely to integrate. The cycle continues.

I don't know what can be done. But something must be done. It's a similar story with the blacks in the US. If we just sit by and say there is no problem that cycle described above will not stop and it is not good for our country, the non-muslims or the muslims.


Except African-Americans are integrated and are more "American" than most people in the US. It's due to institutional racism they're experiencing so many problems. It will take a long time before they can do well.

And, please don't use Asians as an example. Many Asian-Americans are still poor and experience much racism. The ones who are successful were/are descendants of people who were successful before emigrating to the US.
Original post by MeYou2Night
They clearly don't want to. France has the right approach. The entire western world should follow it.


What is this approach?
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because everything is haraam, especially for women
and so they can't integrate properly out of fear that women will want to live more like a westerner - drinking, wearing tight revealing clothing, free mixing with the opposite sex, having boyfriends, staying out all night, working and making a living for herself - which will all ultimately bring 'shame and dishonour' to her family who are so brainwashed by their backwards culture that they believe that their sole purpose in life is to always be praised by their community over how good they are and how well they have raised their kids.

so their number one fear is for their kids to turn out westernised... despite the fact that they - the parents - decided to raise their children in... THE WEST!
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What is this approach?


Banning the Burkina, burka, Niqab etc
Original post by Sayed0123
http://www.wsj.com/articles/britains-muslim-problem-1460504305

This kinda upsets me. Everyone should be assimilating and integrating into British culture and not just keeping to themselves. Of course, people are free to go to the mosque and have their beliefs but they should make an effort to integrate.


Assimilation is a common misunderstanding. It is a very rare case, that happens usually either when somebody has very similar native culture or when is extremely impressed with the new one.
Chinese or Vietnamese people for example, almost never assimilate, still it;s not a problem, because they are peacefull, polite, hardworking, respect government and learn local language so though they are not assimilating, they indeed integrate.

Muslims don't because:
-They don't this to be their interest
-Often they don't understand and neglect secular state
-They are attacked to their culture and this culture is very different and aimed not to learn, but to teach other

Many things in Islam are a big problem, but other big as well or even bigger is wrong approach of western governments.
If you want to make somebody behave, you must nail this somebody, especially if this person is simple minded.
Current clear message toward immigrants is: You can do whatever you want, and you will not receive any punishment. This would demoralise any nation, not only middle-easterns with little education and agressive beliefs.
Muslims often don't like things like free mixing and being around alcohol which is common in Western society. So already things like that can provide a big barrier.

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