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Why do poor people have children?

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Alot of people may not be able to afford condoms. They enjoy sex and this leads to pregnancy. Mother becomes too attched to 'get rid' of the child, so keeps it.
Original post by catholicgirl
I don't understand why people who can barely afford to look after themselves will then bring children into the world who will grow up with a low standard of living.


Sometimes poor people werent poor at the time they had kids.
Some poor people give their kids a very good life and upbringing, throwing money at parenting and packing them off to boarding school doesnt always equal success
Some poor people dont always stay poor.
Sometimes life happens..
Original post by Betelgeuse-
He says whilst then demanding / forcing everybody else to pay for those kids


It’s a lot better than forcing people to pay for unjust wars, the EU, and trident, as well as massive fact government official’s pay.

Original post by Betelgeuse-
Throw in Free healthcare, free prescriptions, free dentisry, free school clothes, free education, free house, Free childcare, energy / clothes / food subsidies and add more roads, hospitals, schools, houses, infrastracture... NOW do the maths. This guy makes it out like its £33 quid a week whilst positively alluding the Tory benefit cap as something good, when its likely he vehemently protested against it and would repeal it in a heartbeat if he had the chance :h:

Maybe all these kids grow up to be doctors and engineers though or maybe most follow in their terrible parents footstops by making bad choices with many resorting to crime and most working low paying jobs


I actually support a benefits cap. It’s economically viable and sensible. Don’t assume things. And plus, all those benefits, such as the "Free healthcare, free prescriptions, free dentisry, free school clothes, free education, free house, Free childcare, energy / clothes / food subsidies and add more roads, hospitals, schools, houses, infrastructure” that you mentioned are what exactly what kids need most to get ahead in life, especially if they’re from lower-income backgrounds.
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Original post by woodchuck
currently working tax credits can be up to £60 per child per week depending on what you earn.thats about £3000 per child, per year. starts to look very attractive to have lots of children if you are poor.someone on £10,000 per year could easily double or triple his 'income' depending on how many children he has.


Yes, but again there is a benefits cap of £20k, or £23k in London, per household.
Original post by frankielogue
It’s a lot better than forcing people to pay for unjust wars, the EU, and trident, as well as massive fact government official’s pay.


Yes i agree, 3 wrongs dont make it ok to make a fourth wrong though

Original post by frankielogue

I actually support a benefits cap. It’s economically viable and sensible. Don’t assume things. And plus, all those benefits, such as the "Free healthcare, free prescriptions, free dentisry, free school clothes, free education, free house, Free childcare, energy / clothes / food subsidies and add more roads, hospitals, schools, houses, infrastructure” that you mentioned are what exactly what kids need most to get ahead in life, especially if they’re from lower-income backgrounds.


I understand that and of course again, i agree but why should it always come at other peoples expense? Why can't people who havent had the fortune or done ok in the genetic lottery to get ahead to make a comfortable life just not have children? I'm not suggesting people should have £200,000 saved before conceiving a child, i am saying its unfair and unjust that ignorant selfish people choose to have children when they have no property and -£850 to their name simply because they want want want without clearly and knowingly not being able to afford
Original post by Betelgeuse-
Yes i agree, 3 wrongs dont make it ok to make a fourth wrong though



I understand that and of course again, i agree but why should it always come at other peoples expense? Why can't people who havent had the fortune or done ok in the genetic lottery to get ahead to make a comfortable life just not have children? I'm not suggesting people should have £200,000 saved before conceiving a child, i am saying its unfair and unjust that ignorant selfish people choose to have children when they have no property and -£850 to their name simply because they want want want without clearly and knowingly not being able to afford


Yeah, but I’m trying to say that we’re much better spending it to allow poor kids have a decent upbringing is better than spending it on worse things. However, I do think that there should be a cap of 2 or 3 kids receiving benefits to stop exploitation of the system. And they should be able to have kids because it’s an amazing opportunity and a necessity in life to have the chance to raise your own children, and watch them become a success, so that you know you’ve done ok in life, because you’ve made it better for someone else. You could say the same about it being at others expense for virtually all of the government budget. The idea is that we all chip in a bit so that we can all be better off, and it’s better that then people starving or kids focusing on whether they can eat today over focusing on their education.
Original post by frankielogue
Yeah, but I’m trying to say that we’re much better spending it to allow poor kids have a decent upbringing is better than spending it on worse things. However, I do think that there should be a cap of 2 or 3 kids receiving benefits to stop exploitation of the system. And they should be able to have kids because it’s an amazing opportunity and a necessity in life to have the chance to raise your own children, and watch them become a success, so that you know you’ve done ok in life, because you’ve made it better for someone else. You could say the same about it being at others expense for virtually all of the government budget. The idea is that we all chip in a bit so that we can all be better off, and it’s better that then people starving or kids focusing on whether they can eat today over focusing on their education.


Its not a necessity though and just because someone has kids does not make the parents a success .. not when virtually everything was given to the kids by other people. Breeding is not hard nor a barometer for "success" by any objective measure (Unless you look like that ugly blubbery fish, then well played)
"Why do poor people have children?" said someone with the username "CATHOLICgirl"
wow so many c**ty people on this thread.

stop letting other peoples life choices bother you and get on with your own ****ing lives
i can guarantee at least half the people who have commented, your parents were in a poor state of life at some point whilst raising you but they choose not to let their kids know or see this and give everything they have to their children, who eventually turn into bratty little know it all's whose opinions are bigger their their genitals and then end up commenting on baity threads on TSR
Gotta do something when there's **** all on tv eh?
Original post by shawtyb
wow so many c**ty people on this thread.

stop letting other peoples life choices bother you and get on with your own ****ing lives
i can guarantee at least half the people who have commented, your parents were in a poor state of life at some point whilst raising you but they choose not to let their kids know or see this and give everything they have to their children, who eventually turn into bratty little know it all's whose opinions are bigger their their genitals and then end up commenting on baity threads on TSR


Why cant you stop letting other peoples choices to complain about this bother you and get on with your own life?
Original post by AperfectBalance
Why cant you stop letting other peoples choices to complain about this bother you and get on with your own life?


dont bother me at all, simple giving my opinion like the others are
Original post by frankielogue
I don’t think you understand how little child benefits are.
Eldest/Only child = £20.70 a week
Other children = £13.70
Don’t forget the benefit cap.
So personally you are bearing a tiny part of this, considering over 30million people are working and paying taxes


Labour are socialist scum. #VoteConservative for equitable, fair society, to get what you earn, and not steal from others via benefits.
"I have never understood why it is greed to want to keep the money you've worked hard for and earned, but not greed to want to take somebody elses "
Tom Sowell.😊
Somewhere like rural India its fair enough, they need more bodies for lifting and carrying and the life expectancy/infant mortality rates are respectively low/high - plus they get married young so the kids are at least legitimate.

Unfortunately the main reason that I can gather for white Brits having kids young is a mixture of immorality, personal sloppiness, vanity, ignorance, family history of young mothers, greed...
Original post by Betelgeuse-
Its not a necessity though and just because someone has kids does not make the parents a success .. not when virtually everything was given to the kids by other people. Breeding is not hard nor a barometer for "success" by any objective measure (Unless you look like that ugly blubbery fish, then well played)


I guess it’s what you measure society by and see as a necessity yourself. Personally, I measure a government by how it treats it’s worse off citizens and citizens in general and I see a safety net and the opportunity to live a decent life a necessity
Original post by AlevelBiologist
Labour are socialist scum. #VoteConservative for equitable, fair society, to get what you earn, and not steal from others via benefits.


Please, explain socialism/communism, I’d like to see you properly define it. All Capitalism does it divide society into different groups, whereas we are united into one struggle under Communism. And please, tell me, how do the CEOs of big businesses earn what they make? What contributions to society do they themselves make? We would be much better off if everyone worked, and everyone benefited from the fruits of their labour. The poor are not “stealing”, they just want to live a decent life?? Since when does not wanting to be impoverished and be living a *****y life stealing??
Original post by frankielogue
Because they want children????? Just because they have a deprived socio-economic status shouldn’t mean they are denied the chance of parenthood. Live n let live


^^:yes:
Original post by frankielogue
Please, explain socialism/communism, I’d like to see you properly define it. All Capitalism does it divide society into different groups, whereas we are united into one struggle under Communism. And please, tell me, how do the CEOs of big businesses earn what they make? What contributions to society do they themselves make? We would be much better off if everyone worked, and everyone benefited from the fruits of their labour. The poor are not “stealing”, they just want to live a decent life?? Since when does not wanting to be impoverished and be living a *****y life stealing??


Socialism is the ideology behind redistribution of wealth, behind the national/government ownership of all good sales and service provision. And yes, capitalism does define people into different groups: people who work hard and people who do not. Businesses / "CEOs" make their money by providing good services that people pay for: that is the contribution they make. Having many independent companies (opposed to one government socialist fiasco) means that customers can go to who provides the best service at the best price, encouraging competition within business, and thus cheaper, better quality products for the consumer, public-owned services takes away the incentive to improve the service. I also find it ironic how you say that everyone should work and benefit from the fruits of their labour. Socialism's benefits system takes away the incentive to work, and having equal money for all is ridiculous; it does not represent "fruits of their labour" at all. But again drives people away from more academically demanding jobs.

It is stealing. Why is it selfish to want to keep money that one has worked hard for, when it is not selfish to not work, or not get an education and get menial work (100% always their fault, by the way) but instead take money (via welfare benefits) from gard working people.

The bottom line is that capitalism rewards work, and socialism rewards laziness.
Original post by catholicgirl
It's everyone's business actually because all of us pay tax. Although not all poor people with children claim benefits the majority do.


Though I do not know you and what is in your heart, this is the typical argument that crypto-racists make. Behind it are the ugly assumptions that 1) the poor inevitably will cost us "better" people something and 2) that the poor are undeserving, even lazy, and hence are about as wanted as vermin. There are ugly tropes.

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