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I get the impression this site is very left wing

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Original post by mariachi
so, if being liberal is clearly such a good thing, why aren't we all liberals ? are conservatives, or even reactionaries, evil ?



Yes.

Hope that helps.
Reply 41
pretty sure john lennon wasn't the best example of being liberal/left wing lol...
Original post by Abstract_Prism
Just pointing out that liberalism is a right-wing ideology.


Well the term left and right wing comes from the french revolution. People who wanted rid of the monarchy and were pro the revolution were left wing. Liberals and socialist can be described as left wing. Liberals just think that the replacement of serf and lord with proletariat and capitalist brings the equality, liberty and fraternity proclaimed by the revolution. Socialists think we can only have equality, liberty and fraternity by progressing beyond serfdom, capitalism, towards social ownership of the economy so society is not built around dominator and dominated.

Liberals fetisize private property, But can be all about equality when it comes to human rights and racism etc.

Liberals are all about equality through the prism of private property and markets. So absolutely no aristocracy or kings, no racism, no homophobia no sexism. Although slavery is fine, since slaves are private property :indiff: The amount of support for slavery among liberals...
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Reply 43
Original post by ChaoticButterfly
Yes.

Hope that helps.


The "I have a child's understanding of the diversity of political philosophy and also a crushing sense of entitlement to successful peoples' money" starter pack.

In any case, the right/left divide is outdated and we're starting to come around to that fact. The true divide in politics isn't a spectrum of left to right, it's how you would answer this question. Assuming you have no control of the state in either situation, would you choose to live with a government that proactively tried to run your life and society at large, or would you want to be left to your own devices? To fail or succeed by your own merits.

I think students naturally fall into the second camp and you can see that - there are more conservatives and libertarians and classic liberals here than there would be if this website was up at any point since 1945. The only obstacle to securing a future of classical liberal values instituted by Millennials is getting them to see the hypocrisy in rejecting social authoritarianism but endorsing economic authoritarianism.
Reply 44
Original post by jape
The "I have a child's understanding of the diversity of political philosophy and also a crushing sense of entitlement to successful peoples' money" starter pack.

In any case, the right/left divide is outdated and we're starting to come around to that fact. The true divide in politics isn't a spectrum of left to right, it's how you would answer this question. Assuming you have no control of the state in either situation, would you choose to live with a government that proactively tried to run your life and society at large, or would you want to be left to your own devices? To fail or succeed by your own merits.

I think students naturally fall into the second camp and you can see that - there are more conservatives and libertarians and classic liberals here than there would be if this website was up at any point since 1945. The only obstacle to securing a future of classical liberal values instituted by Millennials is getting them to see the hypocrisy in rejecting social authoritarianism but endorsing economic authoritarianism.


Where's the hypocrisy, sorry?

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Reply 45
Original post by Calzs34
When things don't go right, you go left. And well, not a lot has gone right lately, so we've all gone left.


But when you go left you're not going right
Reply 46
You racist, xenophobic, white, male, privileged sh*tlord

I agree it is terrifying how free speech and expression isn't valued any more
hahahahahah "terrified of offending anyone who isn't white"
Original post by Abstract_Prism
Just pointing out that liberalism is a right-wing ideology.


And let me point out that the Labour Party was original founded as a centre right wing working class party, but that has been hijacked by the left.
You can say that again about the mods banning anyone right wing immediately. This is my 8th account and another thing, I started this post SamDrake was my 7th account before it was banned by the over zealous mods. All they are doing is fueling my resentment of the left wing.
Original post by theponderer
hahahahahah "terrified of offending anyone who isn't white"


Let it put it to you like this.

If you was a white British male and you recently hypothetically find yourself homeless and you go to the council to find temporary, emergency accommodation, you won't get it. Why? Because you're white British and a male, the council and the current politics are more then happy to bend over backwards to help a foreigner to find housing, but not a native citizen who happens to be a man and white. This is as a result of the left wing.
In my opinion anyone should be allowed to broadcast their views whatever they may be. I don't care if you're a racist supremacist, a radical islamist, a communist, a centrist. Whatever your view you should be allowed to say it because we live in what claims to be a democratic society which values free speech.

I place little faith in humanity as a whole, however, I feel like if were going to do democracy then we ought to bloody well do democracy and trust that people will look to those with absurd ideas and go "hm, what absurd ideas I shall not vote for them."

The idea that someone's views should be stifled and that they should be censored is abhorrent to me. I also find it insulting that I need these people to be censored for my own protection. I'm perfectly capable of forming my own opinions thank you very much and i do not need you to keep others' from me.

I would also say, if we simply allowed loons to preach then they'd probably get less support. When you censor an opinion it makes it seem dangerous, makes it appear valid and makes it look as though you fear them. However, if we simply ignored those with stupid ideas others would hear them and go "that's bloody stupid."

Oh also, I detest the left/right spectrum but if I had to id probably put myself on the right.
Original post by Emperor Casear
This is my 8th account. What you said about the mods and them censoring everything they don't agree with is spot on. All it does is create friction and fuels the flames. I also find myself becoming even more annoyed with the radical hardliner left wing. I am starting to despise the left and we can see this all throughout Europe of late, people are fed up.


I'm not referring to the mods on this forum (this account is like 2 days old so i can't speak at all about them). I'm talking about censorship in general. Any censorship anywhere. If the mods on this site censor then I disagree with them. If there is a man is the street wishing death upon western society and he is forcibly silenced then i disagree with it. If there is someone declaring migrants invaders and they are forcibly removed then i disagree with it.

Censorship in any form is a direct contraction of democratic ideals.

On a side note, is communism still banned in France?
Original post by Twinpeaks
Well liberals clearly do have more moral values than conservatives.
do they? well, at least they say so
Original post by Twinpeaks
Whereas Tories have more self-serving values.
or perhaps, they're just being more honest about it ?

Original post by Twinpeaks
Would Jesus be a liberal or a Tory.
dunno

most likely, he would be a Christian, in any case

best
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Original post by Marked Target


On a side note, is communism still banned in France?
not since the Nazi occupation ended in 1944
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Reply 55
Original post by PandaCalavera
Being liberal is just being open to diversity, isn't that a good thing?


Why is diversity good? Who told you that? According to OP, the liberal propaganda has.

Personally I think there is a limit and that one should not strive for diversity for diversity's sake. And we should not tolerate intolerance in the name of diversity.
Reply 56
Original post by PandaCalavera
Being liberal is just being open to diversity, isn't that a good thing?


Why is diversity good? Who told you that? According to OP, the liberal propaganda has.

Personally I think there is a limit and that one should not strive for diversity for diversity's sake. And we should not tolerate intolerance in the name of diversity.
Reply 57
It's easy to be left wing when you're a young student and spending other people's money. Get tougher when you're having to work to support yourself.
Reply 58
It is. It's a shame.
Reply 59
Original post by Mathemagicien
I post lots of Politically Incorrect posts, and I have never been banned, permanently or otherwise.

You just need to know where to post; try News and Current Affairs, most other subforums are Safe Places.


Lucky you

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