Five men arrested by West Midlands anti-terror police

So if you have a hateful Muslim living in western society, their hateful feelings can attract them to extremist groups like ISIS -

which legitimise these feelings into anti-Western political hatred. This causes them to do the attacks, not a heart-filled desire to help Islam.

The original point was that the Bataclan attackers had a political motivation. They vocalised it, witnesses reported that they said it was "revenge for airstrikes in Syria"

And once again, I'm not saying it has nothing to do with Islam. I'm saying Islam is a factor, but a negligible one, one not worth attacking - because whinging about Islam being barbaric evidently is not helping whatsoever.

I support western intervention to eradicate terrorist groups, but it would be more ideal if the local Arab powers would do their part. The whole idea of a "West vs Terrorism" is a war that will never be won.

Islam is not the initial thing which causes them to become hateful. Its just that radical interpretations of Islam are the veils behind which they hide to feel not so bad about themselves. To actually believe that these people want to help Islam is to fall for their lies and to legitimise their actions.

How do you explain the many oung schoolgirls, radicalised and persuaded to go to the caliphate? They seem to have been pretty sheltered and innocent before their radicalisation?

Or Tashfeen Malik and Syed Rizwan Farook who were non-political, law-abiding sufis from a wealthy background prior to radicalisation. They don't fit your narrative very well, do they? There are many more.

The key is coming to believe the Koran is literally true, which they do, as it tells them Moslems must. Everything springs from this; even previously innocent people become vicious killers in the quest to follow Mohammed and spread Islam in the seventh century model.

Take a quick skim-read of any case study of any of these terrorists who attack westerners, and you'll see that EVERY SINGLE TIME their lives go south because of a traumatic event or series of events, they develop hateful feelings and these hateful feelings are legitimised by terrorist groups like ISIS.

Islam is not the initial thing which causes them to become hateful. Its just that radical interpretations of Islam are the veils behind which they hide to feel not so bad about themselves. To actually believe that these people want to help Islam is to fall for their lies and to legitimise their actions.

Sigh... Every single terrorist attacker since the Sydney Siege has had something go wrong in their lives.

All of these are terrorist attacks related to ISIS within the last 2 years:

Man Haron Monis - was due to be charged/convicted for sexual assaults
Omar Abdel Hamid El-Hussein - parents divorced at an early age, and became involved in violent gangs, imprisoned twice for having weapons
Yassine Labidi and Saber Khachnaoui - their home country, Tunisia, became war torn and both perpetrators experienced family losses
Cherif and Said Kouachi - mother committed suicide, orphaned and became involved with gangs and crime, arrested several times
Rezgui - radicalised by the Tunisian civil war due to family losses
Yassin Salhi - got fired from his job and had suffered from Muslim discrimination in his workplace
Ayoub El Khazzani - homeless and had been involved in crime / petty theft
Virtually all of the Paris attackers - had been involved in petty crime / gang violence from a young age
Rizwan Farook and Tashfeen Malik - suffered abuse in his home from a young age, also suffered anti-Muslim discrimination

And the list goes on. Check them yourself.

EVERY SINGLE PERPETRATOR OF THESE ATTACKS HAD THEIR LIVES BECOME **** BECAUSE OF SOME TRAUMATIC EVENTS. THIS LED TO HATEFUL FEELINGS DEVELOPING, WHICH ATTRACT THEM TOWARDS ISIS.

SO STOP BLAMING ISLAM LIKE THE BIGOT YOU ARE.

Sigh... Every single terrorist attacker since the Sydney Siege has had something go wrong in their lives.

Why do you ignore the ones I mentioned, who were in clover before radicalisation? The girls are actually in Syria and the couple were prevented by security services from carrying out an attack. You don't want to even think about evidence that doesn't fit your narrative.

Why do you also ignore QE2's point, that there are many millions of people who have had major things go wrong in their lives but who have not been radicalised and who have not turned into terrorists?

Would be funny if so many people weren't dying.

But this seems to be Muslim argument number 1.

Its[sic] never Islam.

Proof you didn't read my post

I did bring up the San Bernardino shooters

And I blocked that idiot QE2 long ago, he's not worth my time

I apologise. I didn't read the list in detail. You ignored the wife, and the girls though, so you have still ignored all but one of my examples. Nothing went bad in those lives, other than contact with radical Islam.

And you don't explain the millions that do not become terrorists, and that have had no contact with radical Islam.



As always, he is asks relevant and sensible questions. That you choose to ignore him says more about you than it does him.

only to yourself

and given your lack of knowledge that would have been an easy task

Adults however will simply laugh at you and think you're an idiot and resit the urge to pat you on your head.

Buddy, I've proven to you that pretty much every single case of terrorism involves the perpetrators' lives going to ****. I proved it with case studies, and I would gladly continue it for all 2016 and 2015 cases as well.

But you are still just whinging about Islam being the cause. Substantiate your dumb claim please, I've literally taken the case studies and shown you that they become radicalised through their lives turning **** and them developing hateful feelings which draw them to ISIS.

I've proven to you that pretty much every single case of terrorism involves the perpetrators' lives going to ****.

look bacon, you people cry that Islam is the sole cause, I've proven that it isn't, so stop whinging and defend your bigoted argument instead of making personal attacks

And I blocked that idiot QE2 long ago, he's not worth my time