Grammar schools to return

The council will. And the policy again clearly states that they will be considering where they place these grammar schools. It won't be random. You are missing the point again.



I am gonna stop talking to you.

You have not explained why you don't want grammars to be unbanned. It will help the poor who are smart enough and it will free up class space in comprehensive schools. Creating schools already cost millions. In fact, with the current academy system executives are paid a lot of money, so many schools are not properly funded. We got more important issues than a few grammar schools costing money...

You are assuming grammars have no catchment area when of course they would have to. All schools unless they are private would need to limit where their students come from.

Of course you will I make you look thick.

Saying grammar schools won't cost much is delusional.

It doesn't matter whether it would convert or a new school would be built. Teachers would expect higher salaries, the resources and facilities would be at a higher standard than comprehensives and the admin of such a school is much larger than a comp.

I would like to point out that I'm not actually against any expansion, it just would cost a lot.

Well that's wrong the local girls grammar my sister goes to has students travel by bus from 2hoirs away.

Says the one who doesn't know what a tier education system is. Carry your ignorance elsewhere.

Says the one who doesn't know what a tier education system is. Carry your ignorance elsewhere.

What you are basing your argument on is Kent where there is a lot of demand for grammars from people outside Kent but in the proposed introduction of new grammars, they will only be for local people and it would be up to them to decide if they want one. I doubt most people would agree to have a grammar only for a load of people from outside getting in at their expense.

Saying grammar schools won't cost much is delusional.

It doesn't matter whether it would convert or a new school would be built. Teachers would expect higher salaries, the resources and facilities would be at a higher standard than comprehensives and the admin of such a school is much larger than a comp.

I would like to point out that I'm not actually against any expansion, it just would cost a lot.

Any school created cost money. No one is saying it will cost £0.

This is wrong. You are the deluded one.

Firstly teachers actually get paid more at special measure schools than grammar schools. And not only that, they get more funding. There is obviously standards across the country. Grammar schools facilities aren't exactly first class. There's a grammar school I know that hasn't had their facilities updated for decades. Stop indoctrinating people with these lies. What you are saying is not true. It costs more to fund a school in special measures than a grammar school. A grammar schools costs the same as an average school/academy.

Firstly, talking down to people who are older than you doesn't bode well. But back to the actual content...

You're implying they will cost no more which isn't true.

Why are your bringing special measure schools into the equation?They're in a completely different circumstance to both grammar and normal comprehensives.

Also note that I said resources as well. Most grammar schools are able to offer a lot both in and out of lessons.

Teachers who are teaching at a higher standard will obviously want higher than average pay and attracting the best teachers to schools is quite difficult for numerous reasons. The number of students per teacher at a grammar school is also lower.

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I think you need to pipe down a bit because you're coming across as quite toxic, even to people who have said yes to more grammars (including me). Pretty much everyone in government, including Theresa May, wanting the expansion of them realise there are numerous flaws that need to be addressed. Hence why those on the news are saying it's unlikely the expansion will begin anytime soon. Also let's remember how divisive the issue is within the Tory party. Full expansion won't be approved until May's majority is comfortable enough to pass such as bill. This time the Tories can't rely on a weak opposition, because the opposition is pretty much united in opposing grammar schools (except maybe the DUP and one or two Labour MPs).

Have you any evidence for this, because this would be a more momentous change than allowing grammar schools and would overturn 30 years of policy that parents can choose any school, for their child?

If they can get it through Parliament.

Please explain to me how you afford to travel from Fulham to Croydon if your parents are on Jobseekers' Allowance?

How does a 10 year old whose parents do not care a bowel movement about education apply to go to your school?

Students who are academically gifted should have the opportunity to fulfill their potential and this can not always be offered by comprehensive schools which do not have the resources, nor the set-up to help students achieve this. Not only will these students benefit, but so will not so gifted students, because these students will be able to go to a school where no one is so far above their level that the teacher has to distract time, resources and attention away to provide extension exercises for the more intelligent students.

2 reasons why they are not a good thing:

1. Because most people who attend them are middle class anyway (not necessarily rich or privileged, but not under-privileged either), and the kinds of people who, even at a comprehensive, could manage to achieve good grades and get into university. The numbers of working class people who the schools actually benefit are comparatively small. This is because middle class families give more support to children through general academic help with homework etc. and through paying for tuition.

2. Because they ignore the issues with comprehensive schools which need to be addressed and improved. Instead of rolling out more grammar schools the government should be focusing on improving education for everyone. People who are not 'smart' still deserve an excellent education, in fact, they probably need it more, because they are probably the ones who do not receive support at home. Comprehensive education isn't as good as it should be and creating more grammar schools won't improve that, but could exacerbate it.