EU wants its own army
This is exactly the sort of nonsense why I voted leave. The British Army serves Her Majesty, not some unelected ex-politician from Luxembourg. We're already part of NATO. The breath-taking arrogance of the whole EU project is beyond belief, and is a long, long way from what it was originally set up to do.
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What is actually wrong with that? It would make for some more effective foreign policy, as no countries right now would risk sending significant parts of their armies to combat terrorism.
Original post by alevelstresss
What is actually wrong with that? It would make for some more effective foreign policy, as no countries right now would risk sending significant parts of their armies to combat terrorism.
It would make absolutely no difference to any foreign policy. It would pretty much duplicate an existing organisation at a huge additional cost while providing no discernible benefits to any of its members whatsoever.
British troops take an oath to serve the Queen, not unelected, unaccountable bureaucrats from the continent.
The EU is doing all it can to become a country while taking powers away from its members. Do you want that? I certainly don't. Thank god we'll be leaving. Juncker et al can fcuk right off.
The EU treaties were created by an Italian communist party member. That says it all. End of all arguments.
The only barrier between EU and out right communism was the UK. Now we are gone, the EU can carry on with their EU communist movement. Glad we are no part of it.
The only barrier between EU and out right communism was the UK. Now we are gone, the EU can carry on with their EU communist movement. Glad we are no part of it.
Original post by alevelstresss
What is actually wrong with that? It would make for some more effective foreign policy, as no countries right now would risk sending significant parts of their armies to combat terrorism.
Of course you would suddenly support spending billions on some kind of meta-army if it's the EU who want it. The sad thing is that you actually think you're left-wing. You're supporting this on the basis that a neoliberal bureaucratic elite want it, who you happen to support because for some reason centre-left news conpanies started supporting it, and you don't think for yourself and just go along with whatever they tell you to go along with. 30yrs ago the idea that supporting the EU could ever be left-wing would seem as utterly ridiculous as the left supporting Donald Trump.
You truly do not have a clue.
Original post by KingBradly
Of course you would suddenly support spending billions on some kind of meta-army if it's the EU who want it. The sad thing is that you actually think you're left-wing. You're supporting this on the basis that a neoliberal bureaucratic elite want it, who you happen to support because for some reason centre-left news conpanies started supporting it, and you don't think for yourself and just go along with whatever they tell you to go along with. 30yrs ago the idea that supporting the EU could ever be left-wing would seem as utterly ridiculous as the left supporting Donald Trump.
You truly do not have a clue.
You truly do not have a clue.
Or I am slightly favourable towards it (who said I support it?) because it would make the EU more effective on the world stage?
Nice little thesis, but I am left wing and you can cry about why I support this, but I support it for my own reasons. I don't need a psychologist to explain to me my life story, thanks.
Original post by alevelstresss
Or I am slightly favourable towards it (who said I support it?) because it would make the EU more effective on the world stage?
Nice little thesis, but I am left wing and you can cry about why I support this, but I support it for my own reasons. I don't need a psychologist to explain to me my life story, thanks.
Nice little thesis, but I am left wing and you can cry about why I support this, but I support it for my own reasons. I don't need a psychologist to explain to me my life story, thanks.
I'm fairly sure your idea of left-wing just means reading the Gruaniad and being an Islam apologist. I seriously doubt you've read a word of actual left-wing literature. Ever read any Chomsky? Any Marx?
Original post by KingBradly
I'm fairly sure your idea of left-wing just means reading the Gruaniad and being an Islam apologist. I seriously doubt you've read a word of actual left-wing literature. Ever read any Chomsky? Any Marx?
Yep, I've read and studied both to an extent.
Stop generalising please, I know you'd cry in a little hissy fit if I generalised you in some way or another.
Original post by alevelstresss
Yep, I've read and studied both to an extent.
Stop generalising please, I know you'd cry in a little hissy fit if I generalised you in some way or another.
Stop generalising please, I know you'd cry in a little hissy fit if I generalised you in some way or another.
I feel like if you were well read enough to have read Chomsky and Marx you'd understand what the word "generalise" means.
Original post by KingBradly
I feel like if you were well read enough to have read Chomsky and Marx you'd understand what the word "generalise" means.
"I'm fairly sure your idea of left-wing just means reading the Gruaniad and being an Islam apologist"
is that not a generalisation of left-wing people you encounter on the internet?
Original post by Duncan2012
The British Army serves Her Majesty, not some unelected ex-politician from Luxembourg.
Oh the irony.
Original post by alevelstresss
"I'm fairly sure your idea of left-wing just means reading the Gruaniad and being an Islam apologist"
is that not a generalisation of left-wing people you encounter on the internet?
is that not a generalisation of left-wing people you encounter on the internet?
No, that was merely an accusation I made about you. There are plenty of left-wing people who are actually, well, left-wing.
Building an European army means that the French would surrender their nuclear facilities and armement to this supra national organisation. This will never happen. The EDC already failed even before France had nukes and it would have been between six states only.
The only way to see an European army is to give the leadership to the French military command - something that the other states with refuse.
So, nothing will change.
The only way to see an European army is to give the leadership to the French military command - something that the other states with refuse.
So, nothing will change.
And this is why most the armed forces voted leave.
The UK armed forces are one of the best in the world and that is because of the ability to not only work as a single force element with specialised assets but also to effectively work well in joint operations. The combination to do both is what works well.
Additionally each country within Europe will have different doctrines. So either deciding on which doctrine is best or coming up with just one doctrine would cause chaos and lead to a decrease in combat effectiveness.
The UK armed forces are one of the best in the world and that is because of the ability to not only work as a single force element with specialised assets but also to effectively work well in joint operations. The combination to do both is what works well.
Additionally each country within Europe will have different doctrines. So either deciding on which doctrine is best or coming up with just one doctrine would cause chaos and lead to a decrease in combat effectiveness.
Good, about time too. Whilst the United Kingdom languishes in its fantasies of isolationism and self-importance, hopefully the rest of Europe will put into action something that should have been in place a long time ago.
The Germans & maybe even the French governments might support it but the indications from many Eastern European nations suggest that they'll oppose it. In fact, the news coming from many Eastern European countries since Brexit indicates that they want a looser EU as opposed to the increased powers some of Western Europe are interested in.
I'm certainly not regretting my vote to leave as it stands.
I'm certainly not regretting my vote to leave as it stands.
But...but...the remainians promised it would never happen.
Original post by Plagioclase
Good, about time too. Whilst the United Kingdom languishes in its fantasies of isolationism and self-importance, hopefully the rest of Europe will put into action something that should have been in place a long time ago.
You might have a point..... If the UK was not part of NATO which is an alliance with far greater military significance due to the inclusion of the USA. The only EU nations that actually meet the 2% of GDP target set by NATO are the UK (although not for much longer), Greece & Estonia, although Poland is looking to meet this target soon.
Im also not sure how much of a will to act an EU military would have judging by previous issues.
Original post by alevelstresss
What is actually wrong with that? It would make for some more effective foreign policy, as no countries right now would risk sending significant parts of their armies to combat terrorism.
What about the UN & NATO?
The EU is like a vampire, sucking the life, money and power out of all its member countries
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