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Sadiq Khan urges Trump to "build bridges not walls"

So clearly Khan has misunderstood the reasoning behind the wall. As the wall is meant to keep out illegal immigrants from Mexico and other latin american countries (Trump has said before that he wouldn't mind putting a wall so that some immigrants could come in legally).

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Anyways, what makes me chuckle is that he said “as imperfect as people may say we are, Donald Trump could come to London and see for himself the benefits of integration". I live in London and you tend to notice that there's quite a racial divide, like Bengalis in east London or West Africa/Carribean communities in south London bunch together...

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So what are your thoughts? Do you agree or disagree with Khan?
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Mr Khan should know better than to feed the troll.
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but do you really think a WALL is going to keep immigrants out?

c'mon... seriously... its a WALL

mexico does have helicopters you know
He's correct probably not in the way he intended, America need to significantly improve their infrastructure which they for some reason neglect.
Reply 4
Well, I'm a Londoner and agree with Khan. :h:
Reply 5
Original post by Allie4
but do you really think a WALL is going to keep immigrants out?c'mon... seriously... its a WALLmexico does have helicopters you know
It's a first step.And I know right, every Latino immigrant can totally afford a helicopter. :rolleyes:

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Original post by PrinceOfOrange
He's correct probably not in the way he intended, America need to significantly improve their infrastructure which they for some reason neglect.


Explain :holmes:
Original post by L'absurde
So clearly Khan has misunderstood the reasoning behind the wall. As the wall is meant to keep out illegal immigrants from Mexico and other latin american countries (Trump has said before that he wouldn't mind putting a wall so that some immigrants could come in legally).

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Anyways, what makes me chuckle is that he said “as imperfect as people may say we are, Donald Trump could come to London and see for himself the benefits of integration". I live in London and you tend to notice that there's quite a racial divide, like Bengalis in east London or West Africa/Carribean communities in south London bunch together...

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So what are your thoughts? Do you agree or disagree with Khan?


I wouldn't be surprised if Mexicans living near the border would support any measure that would make life difficult for the cartels.
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Original post by IslamFreeZone
This is why we can't trust Muslims..

They preach tolerance and diversity because it is to their advantage. Then when they outnumber you, it's a different story.

Don't be so bloody naive.


I was raised in a muslim household and have interacted with hundreds of muslims. I have never met a person that preaches diversity with ulterior motives. I'm not sure if you're paranoid or if you are truly that deluded.
He's living in a fantasy world
Reply 9
Khan is a opportunist that spouts whatever is flavour of the month.

One week he is a devout Muslim, the next he is a feminist attending gay pride. One week he is a socialist man of the people and the week after he urges the government to stay in the EU single market.

You can bet his tune will change if trump wins presidency
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Original post by Saba XD
Well, I'm a Londoner and agree with Khan. :h:


Why? Do you not think a country has the right to prevent illegal migration across it's borders?
A large proportion of illegal immigrants do enter the country legally; this wall wouldn't stop them from coming in. I agree with Sadiq Khan.
Reply 12
Original post by NotNotBatman
A large proportion of illegal immigrants do enter the country legally; this wall wouldn't stop them from coming in. I agree with Sadiq Khan.


Citation needed.
Original post by L'absurde
Citation needed.


http://www.pewhispanic.org/files/factsheets/19.pdf

This one is from 2006, Unfortunately I couldn't find a more recent one.
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Original post by NotNotBatman
http://www.pewhispanic.org/files/factsheets/19.pdf

This one is from 2006, Unfortunately I couldn't find a more recent one.


Did you even read it?

4.5 to 6 million entered legally whilst 6 to 7 million entered illegally. What part of that shows that most immigrants are illegal?
(This is only for 2006, by the way).
Original post by L'absurde
Did you even read it?

4.5 to 6 million entered legally whilst 6 to 7 million entered illegally. What part of that shows that most immigrants are illegal?
(This is only for 2006, by the way).


I said a large proportion, not the majority.
America already has 607380 bridges though
Original post by NotNotBatman
A large proportion of illegal immigrants do enter the country legally; this wall wouldn't stop them from coming in. I agree with Sadiq Khan.


It could (partially) address the largest contributing factor to the issue. You link says that most of those there illegally entered by border jumping, making this more difficult by building a wall is a direct way to stop/curb this from happening. It seems as though it would almost certainly cut the numbers coming in and make deportations easier.

Maybe after the largest contributing factor is addressed (partially) they can begin an approach to deal with those using false pretenses to obtain visas.

The wall is a good tool to achieve the goal, it's practically essential. Anyone who says otherwise is a liar or a fool. You don't keep out border jumpers with kind words or empathy or by 'building bridges' and the idea is just an attempt at emotive grandstanding by manipulative @sswipes trying to attain moral superiority so they can dictate to others right and wrong. Enter Sadiq Kahn.
Original post by HanSoloLuck
It could (partially) address the largest contributing factor to the issue. You link says that most of those there illegally entered by border jumping, making this more difficult by building a wall is a direct way to stop/curb this from happening. It seems as though it would almost certainly cut the numbers coming in and make deportations easier.

Maybe after the largest contributing factor is addressed (partially) they can begin an approach to deal with those using false pretenses to obtain visas.

The wall is a good tool to achieve the goal, it's practically essential. Anyone who says otherwise is a liar or a fool. You don't keep out border jumpers with kind words or empathy or by 'building bridges' and the idea is just an attempt at emotive grandstanding by manipulative @sswipes trying to attain moral superiority so they can dictate to others right and wrong. Enter Sadiq Kahn.


There is already a Mexican - United States border, which consists of 930 km of walls and fencing, yet illegal immigrants still enter through these barriers. If congress were to approve this and the wall were built, it'd have to be a pretty big wall for it to be more effective, it would also have to cross the current virtual borders. This is costly and in my opinion not worth it as millions of jobs depend on illegal immigrant activity and hundreds of billions of dollars of economic activity is produced by illegal immigrants, so it's a loss to workers and economic activity.
Original post by NotNotBatman
There is already a Mexican - United States border, which consists of 930 km of walls and fencing, yet illegal immigrants still enter through these barriers. If congress were to approve this and the wall were built, it'd have to be a pretty big wall for it to be more effective, it would also have to cross the current virtual borders. This is costly and in my opinion not worth it as millions of jobs depend on illegal immigrant activity and hundreds of billions of dollars of economic activity is produced by illegal immigrants, so it's a loss to workers and economic activity.


Trump is building a presidency on the concept, I assume a really big wall is what he had in mind. While I'm not sure on the geography I'm sure that a collective of smaller taller walls strategically placed would be sufficient to insure that crossing we nigh impossible for those stupid enough to try.

The immediate cost would be substantial in either case, but the long term gains would be incalculable. the very civilization of our Western democracies is built on the foundation of sacrificing for the future benefits even if we ourselves don't get to see them.

While the economic effect of illegals may have short term gains it undermines the stability of the country and the economic system as a whole, America prospered before illegal immigrants and it will learn to do so again. The idea that it couldn't is not one I'm willing to entertain.

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