Should we get rid of weaker universities?
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Original post by Luke7456
could you not maybe use the open university? they would be much cheaper and would also Be of a much higher standard then the standard of weak universities in the UK.
I know its not the same as been in a class but at the weaker institutions you dont get much class time anyway.
I know its not the same as been in a class but at the weaker institutions you dont get much class time anyway.
That last point is nonsense.
http://m.unistats.ac.uk/subjects/study/10000291FT-K00045/ReturnTo/Search
http://m.unistats.ac.uk/subjects/study/10007786FT-1HIST001UU-201516/ReturnTo/Search
Anglia Ruskin - double the contact hours of Bristol. That was just the first 2 universities I looked at.
Contact time does not correlate with reputation.
Original post by TheIr0nDuke
'Muh education is a human right'
It is, until 16. Then it's further education. Entirely different thing.
It is, until 16. Then it's further education. Entirely different thing.
That is an incredibly ignorant statement, stemmed from a conceited governmental policy. Education to ANY level is a definable human right - http://www.unesco.org/new/en/right2education - there is nothing about an age where education stops being a human right, because anyone who claims otherwise are the root of the problem in the first place.
As UNESCO are essentially policy makers within the United Nations, they know a hell of a lot more about it than you or anyone else using that argument in this entire thread.
By the fact that the OP missed out on grades for an Oxbridge place, i'd hazard a guess at Exeter, as it's usually their students who come up with the majority of elitist threads on here over the years, more so even than Oxbridge students.
Throwing money at the issue won't solve it.
Uni of Manchester gets an absolute fortune and yet they were so **** compared to MMU and I have studied at both.
Uni of Manchester gets an absolute fortune and yet they were so **** compared to MMU and I have studied at both.
Original post by iainvg
That is an incredibly ignorant statement, stemmed from a conceited governmental policy. Education to ANY level is a definable human right - http://www.unesco.org/new/en/right2education - there is nothing about an age where education stops being a human right, because anyone who claims otherwise are the root of the problem in the first place.
As UNESCO are essentially policy makers within the United Nations, they know a hell of a lot more about it than you or anyone else using that argument in this entire thread.
By the fact that the OP missed out on grades for an Oxbridge place, i'd hazard a guess at Exeter, as it's usually their students who come up with the majority of elitist threads on here over the years, more so even than Oxbridge students.
As UNESCO are essentially policy makers within the United Nations, they know a hell of a lot more about it than you or anyone else using that argument in this entire thread.
By the fact that the OP missed out on grades for an Oxbridge place, i'd hazard a guess at Exeter, as it's usually their students who come up with the majority of elitist threads on here over the years, more so even than Oxbridge students.
>implying the UN should exist
Graduates have higher employment rates and higher earning potential. Paying for that right makes sense.
Original post by SpicyStrawberry
Throwing money at the issue won't solve it.
Uni of Manchester gets an absolute fortune and yet they were so **** compared to MMU and I have studied at both.
Uni of Manchester gets an absolute fortune and yet they were so **** compared to MMU and I have studied at both.
Really? What course? I've heard this a bit about the non-STEM degrees at Manchester as I've read that Manchester Uni was actually the merger of two unis, Victoria University (which was apparently not very good) and University of Manchester Institute of Science and Technology (which was apparently really good).
Original post by DarkEnergy
Really? What course? I've heard this a bit about the non-STEM degrees at Manchester as I've read that Manchester Uni was actually the merger of two unis, Victoria University (which was apparently not very good) and University of Manchester Institute of Science and Technology (which was apparently really good).
Wouldn't want to name it as it would make it obvious who was ****ging it off and you don't know who is reading
but honestly it was countless admin errors with our assignment results, non response to emails, last minute changes to the course content because it was inadequate, staff shortages etc. it was very stressful and I wouldn't recommend it. The uni did absolutely nothing to help us when we collectively made a formal complaint either and basically said we didn't have enough evidence (despite handing them everything on a platter).It's technically a non-STEM course but it is within the Biology, Medicine & Health faculty.
Definitely preferred MMU but that's just my experience.
Original post by SpicyStrawberry
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That doesn't sound too good at all... Thanks for the reply!
Original post by DraculaMihawk
Just because those departments are merging doesn't mean they have to be subsidised by the university itself. As a separate college they raise their own funding or they simply vanish. There's already enough institutions to go around anyway.
I agree technical colleges and apprenticeships should be of better quality and should be emphasised more by schools.
Not ridiculous. What's your solution then? Continue having naive students take out £27,000 debt in a degree in magazine journalism from a university ranked no. 89 and then be unemployed?
We are a small country in comparison. It won't cause any damage considering we already have a plethora of top universities in the global top 100. We need to focus on getting our other universities in the top 100 that are already esteemed in our country.
I agree technical colleges and apprenticeships should be of better quality and should be emphasised more by schools.
Not ridiculous. What's your solution then? Continue having naive students take out £27,000 debt in a degree in magazine journalism from a university ranked no. 89 and then be unemployed?
We are a small country in comparison. It won't cause any damage considering we already have a plethora of top universities in the global top 100. We need to focus on getting our other universities in the top 100 that are already esteemed in our country.
of course its a ridiculous idea. 50 universities for a country of over 60 million people? let me guess, they'll all be concentrated down south too, with a couple in the midlands and 1 in scotland? the maths alone tells a different story. not to mention the ethics and social problems (elitism//classism) that you will stir up once you attempt to forcefully limit the number of university educated students. i guess you could always tell companies to pay degree-less employees the same amount as their better educated counterparts....take it from someone who has spent quite a lot of time in korea, you dont want a lot of kids being funneled into a tiny group of universities. you do that and you'll start witnessing diminishing birth rates, and sky-rocketing suicide rates. not to mention the cost of education will soar.
my solution would be to relentlessly and critically evaluate proposals for new universities, pressure and manage existing universities (say, outside the top 100), prevent misleading advertising, limit the discrepancy between offers and accepted grades and ensure minimum standards are met. on the demand side, promote apprenticeships and work-hire schemes to low-achieving students and make corporations well aware of any benefits from aiding these schemes. you can even implement a national 'floor' for grades (say, BCC at A-level) and that any students wishing to attend university are ready to either pay more, or get the desired grades.
Original post by DarkEnergy
That doesn't sound too good at all... Thanks for the reply!
I get good vibes about the uni from what I've seen from people on other courses but they massively dropped the ball on this one so I think looking at a uni's reputation from league tables doesn't give you a full picture... I chose UoM based on its reputation and unfortunately it didn't live up to it for me but I'm sure thousands of other students on different courses have had a fab time
Original post by Fadel
Yes, a lot of work and money. You got top grades at A-Level and got into oxbridge so you're bossing around?
Money?
Original post by PQ
That last point is nonsense.
http://m.unistats.ac.uk/subjects/study/10000291FT-K00045/ReturnTo/Search
http://m.unistats.ac.uk/subjects/study/10007786FT-1HIST001UU-201516/ReturnTo/Search
Anglia Ruskin - double the contact hours of Bristol. That was just the first 2 universities I looked at.v
Contact time does not correlate with reputation.
http://m.unistats.ac.uk/subjects/study/10000291FT-K00045/ReturnTo/Search
http://m.unistats.ac.uk/subjects/study/10007786FT-1HIST001UU-201516/ReturnTo/Search
Anglia Ruskin - double the contact hours of Bristol. That was just the first 2 universities I looked at.v
Contact time does not correlate with reputation.
Yes, I believe this comes from some universities attaching a seminar to every lecture to enable discussion and debate, some just have lectures.
Original post by DraculaMihawk
I have never understood why suddenly it's everyone's God given right to go to university, I don't believe it is. I believe if you reach a certain standard of academic excellence, then you get to go to university, so a university degree is still something we aspire to. Nowadays we just hand out degrees like leaflets in the streets. They've lost their value.
Just recently the top UK universities dropped down in ranking on the global top 100. To solve this we could get rid of all the universities outside of the top 50 and invest that money into our top 50 universities. Boosting the standards of those said universities.
Anglia Ruskin, London Met and the likes are appalling institutions and are basically conning their students off £9000 a year. When videos like these are made by students:
[video="youtube;cV_Wqcdt1YM"]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cV_Wqcdt1YM[/video]
You know there is an issue.
I say we should cull a huge tranche of the universities at the bottom, that are not meeting the standards and invest the money from that into our top 50 universities. Some of these universities are better off being vocational technical colleges and should be free or have lower tuition fees.
Just recently the top UK universities dropped down in ranking on the global top 100. To solve this we could get rid of all the universities outside of the top 50 and invest that money into our top 50 universities. Boosting the standards of those said universities.
Anglia Ruskin, London Met and the likes are appalling institutions and are basically conning their students off £9000 a year. When videos like these are made by students:
[video="youtube;cV_Wqcdt1YM"]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cV_Wqcdt1YM[/video]
You know there is an issue.
I say we should cull a huge tranche of the universities at the bottom, that are not meeting the standards and invest the money from that into our top 50 universities. Some of these universities are better off being vocational technical colleges and should be free or have lower tuition fees.
Oh yes lets reinforce WC barriers limiting people the ability to further educate and better themselves just because of some meaningless world ranking. Patriotism in its finest?
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Original post by 999tigger
Too many . Not a god given right and just the best students from the best schools could go. It would make a degree rarer and worth having. It would also make sure the top 5 were adequately funded. Top 50 way too common. MIght even be better if we went back to just Oxbridge. Imperical could be a technical college and LSE just be able to teach economics to the Chinese.
Everyone who wasnt able to get in should know their place and be made to do apprentichships or work in a shop.
Everyone who wasnt able to get in should know their place and be made to do apprentichships or work in a shop.
Unlike 30 years ago, degrees are required for a lot of jobs, not just for specialist or top positions in society. Do you think there would be enough space for every teacher, for every school (primary, secondary etc) to get a degree? Or should we just have the privately educated sector have teachers with degrees? Better yet, lets scrap education from ages 13+ from those not pre-determined by their social class to have a shot at the top 5.
You're literally going back in time where there were few universities in which only the top elite could attend and most working class people were in service and social mobility was rare.
Literally the most idiotic idea i've ever heard of. You're clearly out of touch from reality.
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Original post by LillyB14
Unlike 30 years ago, degrees are required for a lot of jobs, not just for specialist or top positions in society. Do you think there would be enough space for every teacher, for every school (primary, secondary etc) to get a degree? Or should we just have the privately educated sector have teachers with degrees? Better yet, lets scrap education from ages 13+ from those not pre-determined by their social class to have a shot at the top 5.
You're literally going back in time where there were few universities in which only the top elite could attend and most working class people were in service and social mobility was rare.
Literally the most idiotic idea i've ever heard of. You're clearly out of touch from reality.
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You're literally going back in time where there were few universities in which only the top elite could attend and most working class people were in service and social mobility was rare.
Literally the most idiotic idea i've ever heard of. You're clearly out of touch from reality.
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If you read the thread, then you could see I wasnt being serious and was taking the peas out of the op's idea......
Original post by 999tigger
If you read the thread, then you could see I wasnt being serious and was taking the peas out of the op's idea......
people have crappy attention spans and don't want to read.
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Someone posted here that Anglia Ruskin made the top 500 universities in the world?
I checked they don't according to the source I use would be curious on their source.
http://www.topuniversities.com/university-rankings/world-university-rankings/2016
we Have 71 Universities in the top 1000. I know we have some Universities that do not make the top 1000 but are excellent for a specific subject. Maybe Just keep the 71 universities which make the top 1000, and then find the odd few that specialize on one subject and try improve those so they can make the top 1000 and turn the rest back into polytechnics.
If a university cannot make the top 1000 universities in the world and does not have a redeeming feature such as been brilliant for a specific subject then they should lose the label.
The UK higher education has a very strong world wide reputation. Apart from the United States is there anyone that beats us for getting universities in the top 1000?
why not get rid of the universities that don't make the grade make an exception for universities such as Bournemouth who don't make the grade but are exceptional in one or two subjects then focus on improving these ones so that we can get them into the world 1000 rankings.
foreign students bring a lot of money into our economy because of our world wide reputation, why ruin that with the likes of Anglia Ruskin?
I checked they don't according to the source I use would be curious on their source.
http://www.topuniversities.com/university-rankings/world-university-rankings/2016
we Have 71 Universities in the top 1000. I know we have some Universities that do not make the top 1000 but are excellent for a specific subject. Maybe Just keep the 71 universities which make the top 1000, and then find the odd few that specialize on one subject and try improve those so they can make the top 1000 and turn the rest back into polytechnics.
If a university cannot make the top 1000 universities in the world and does not have a redeeming feature such as been brilliant for a specific subject then they should lose the label.
The UK higher education has a very strong world wide reputation. Apart from the United States is there anyone that beats us for getting universities in the top 1000?
why not get rid of the universities that don't make the grade make an exception for universities such as Bournemouth who don't make the grade but are exceptional in one or two subjects then focus on improving these ones so that we can get them into the world 1000 rankings.
foreign students bring a lot of money into our economy because of our world wide reputation, why ruin that with the likes of Anglia Ruskin?
Original post by yudothis
Money?
12 years in a private English school, and exams weren't free for me.
There are so many flaws with this idea. For starters so so many jobs nowadays require a degree of some description, and as such axing almost all universities would require an entire overhaul of what is expected for a specific job, and in many cases leave so many jobs understaffed due to lack of well educated applicants.
Second, and in my opinion most important is that the actual ease of getting a degree isn't a problem, because it's been counter balanced by the fact that many of these degrees won't get you jobs anymore, just look at a universities post grad employment rate, the best ones are higher, so why get rid of the others when clearly they're still helping to provide workers in certain areas, it doesn't hurt anyone?
You also are unfortunately like so many these days who have forgotten the real importance of uni that isn't just about earning a degree, but rather learning independence and becoming prepared for the real world and being able to stand on your own two feet. Something which ironically the top universities are the worst at, as they still spoon feed their students by not permitting them to have jobs, or providing food. I'd take my university choice over Cambridge or oxford any day because I am employable and I actually have life skills, and have never moved back in with my parents since leaving uni. Independence was far more important than my degree which was still nice to get.
Second, and in my opinion most important is that the actual ease of getting a degree isn't a problem, because it's been counter balanced by the fact that many of these degrees won't get you jobs anymore, just look at a universities post grad employment rate, the best ones are higher, so why get rid of the others when clearly they're still helping to provide workers in certain areas, it doesn't hurt anyone?
You also are unfortunately like so many these days who have forgotten the real importance of uni that isn't just about earning a degree, but rather learning independence and becoming prepared for the real world and being able to stand on your own two feet. Something which ironically the top universities are the worst at, as they still spoon feed their students by not permitting them to have jobs, or providing food. I'd take my university choice over Cambridge or oxford any day because I am employable and I actually have life skills, and have never moved back in with my parents since leaving uni. Independence was far more important than my degree which was still nice to get.
Kill the weak for the betterment of the strong. It is nature's way.
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