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A particle accelerates from rest with an acceleration of 3ms^-2 to speed V. It continues at this speed for time T then decelerates to rest at 1.5ms ^-2.
The total time for this motion is 60 seconds and the total distance travelled is 1000 m, find the value of V.

I've tried so many method and they're not working :frown:

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Reply 1
Original post by jordanshelley97
You can use SUVAT.

S = 1000
U = 0
V = ?
A = 3
T = ?

We can use v^2 = u^2 + 2as
v^2 = 6000
v = square root of 6000


Isn't that incorrect because it doesn't have an acceleration of 3ms^-2 throughout the whole motion
Original post by Jozanic
Isn't that incorrect because it doesn't have an acceleration of 3ms^-2 throughout the whole motion


Draw a speed-time graph and it can help alongside SUVAT. The graphs has 3 parts where you can apply SUVAT - firstly when it's accelerating at 3m/s^2, then when it's not accelerating, and finally when it is decelerating.

The area under this graph should be 1000m.
Original post by jordanshelley97
You can use SUVAT.

S = 1000
U = 0
V = ?
A = 3
T = ?

We can use v^2 = u^2 + 2as
v^2 = 6000
v = square root of 6000


Acceleration isn't constant throughout the entire 1000m therefore it doesn't work the way you did it.
Reply 4
Original post by RDKGames
Draw a speed-time graph and it can help alongside SUVAT. The graphs has 3 parts where you can apply SUVAT - firstly when it's accelerating at 3m/s^2, then when it's not accelerating, and finally when it is decelerating.

The area under this graph should be 1000m.


I did exactly that but I'm still getting weird answers.
Original post by Jozanic
I did exactly that but I'm still getting weird answers.


Show your working.
You could draw a speed time graph. The area under the graph is the total distance travelled.
Reply 7
Original post by RDKGames
Show your working.


AB (Accelerating)
s =
u = 0
v = V
a = 3
t =


BC (Constant)
s =
u = V
v = V
a = 0
t = T


CD (Decelerating)
s =
u = V
v = 0
a = -1.5
t =

I made S the subject using v^2 = u^2+2as and tried to equate the accelerating and decelerating part.
(edited 7 years ago)
Original post by Jozanic
AB (Accelerating)
s =
u = 0
v = V
a = 3
t =


BC (Constant)
s =
u = V
v = V
a = 0
t = T


CD (Decelerating)
s =
u = V
v = 0
a = -1.5
t =

I made S the subject using v^2 = u^2+2as and tried to equate the accelerating and decelerating part.


Try the following:

1000=12(Vt1)+V(t2t1)+12V(60t2)1000=\frac{1}{2}(Vt_1)+V(t_2-t_1)+\frac{1}{2}V(60-t_2)

and Vt1=3\displaystyle \frac{V}{t_1}=3 and V60t2=1.5\displaystyle \frac{-V}{60-t_2}=-1.5

You can easily get this from drawing the graph and labeling the end of first interval as t1t_1, end of second as t2t_2 and end of third as 60.
(edited 7 years ago)
Reply 9
Original post by RDKGames
Try the following:

1000=12(Vt1)+V(t2t1)+12V(60t2)1000=\frac{1}{2}(Vt_1)+V(t_2-t_1)+\frac{1}{2}V(60-t_2)

and Vt1=3\displaystyle \frac{V}{t_1}=3 and V60t2=1.5\displaystyle \frac{-V}{60-t_2}=-1.5

You can easily get this from drawing the graph and labeling the end of first interval as t1t_1, end of second as t2t_2 and end of third as 60.


Ahhhh thanks. I sort of get the idea now. You're adding the separate parts of the graph. But what is the second section with V/t1 = 3 and -V/(60/t2) =-1.5
Original post by Jozanic
Ahhhh thanks. I sort of get the idea now. You're adding the separate parts of the graph. But what is the second section with V/t1 = 3 and -V/(60/t2) =-1.5


Gradients of a speed-time graph are the acceleration, I'm merely putting the acceleration's in terms of V and t.
Reply 11
Original post by RDKGames
Gradients of a speed-time graph are the acceleration, I'm merely putting the acceleration's in terms of V and t.


Ahhh I see. Thanks a bunch :smile:
Reply 12
Original post by RDKGames
Gradients of a speed-time graph are the acceleration, I'm merely putting the acceleration's in terms of V and t.


Ok I'm slowly getting an understanding but what do you do after ???#

EDIT: Actually never mind I solved it.
(edited 7 years ago)
Original post by Jozanic
Ok I'm slowly getting an understanding but what do you do after ???#

EDIT: Actually never mind I solved it.


Rearrange for t1t_1 and t2t_2 in terms of VV then sub them into the formula to get a quadratic in VV
(edited 7 years ago)
Original post by Uni12345678
I got this


Hi, appreciate you trying to help but please do not post full solutions as it's against the forum's rules. Thanks. :smile:

http://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/showthread.php?t=4066671&p=64637319#post64637319
Reply 15
Original post by RDKGames
Hi, appreciate you trying to help but please do not post full solutions as it's against the forum's rules. Thanks. :smile:

http://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/showthread.php?t=4066671&p=64637319#post64637319


Hi again. I got the quadratic 4v^2 - 181 + 3000 = 0

Am I on the right lines?
Original post by Jozanic
Hi again. I got the quadratic 4v^2 - 181 + 3000 = 0

Am I on the right lines?


No, that would give you imaginary roots for the speed. Try again and be careful with your algebraic manipulation.

You should have t1=V3t_1=\frac{V}{3} and t2=23(90V)t_2=\frac{2}{3}(90-V)
Original post by RDKGames
Hi, appreciate you trying to help but please do not post full solutions as it's against the forum's rules. Thanks. :smile:

http://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/showthread.php?t=4066671&p=64637319#post64637319


Fair :smile: soz
Reply 18
Original post by RDKGames
No, that would give you imaginary roots for the speed. Try again and be careful with your algebraic manipulation.

You should have t1=V3t_1=\frac{V}{3} and t2=23(90V)t_2=\frac{2}{3}(90-V)


Still getting the same equation :frown:
Original post by Jozanic
Still getting the same equation :frown:


You might want to practice some algebraic manipulation soon then. Anyhow:

Gonna use t2=6023t2t_2=60-\frac{2}{3}t_2

1000=12Vt1+V(t2t1)+12V(60t2)1000=\frac{1}{2}Vt_1+V(t_2-t_1)+\frac{1}{2}V(60-t_2)

1000=12V(V3)+V(6023VV3)+12V(6060+23V)\Rightarrow 1000=\frac{1}{2}V(\frac{V}{3})+V(60-\frac{2}{3}V-\frac{V}{3})+\frac{1}{2}V(60-60+\frac{2}{3}V)

1000=V26+V(60V)+13V2\Rightarrow 1000=\frac{V^2}{6}+V(60-V)+\frac{1}{3}V^2

1000=V26V2+60V+13V2\Rightarrow 1000=\frac{V^2}{6}-V^2+60V+\frac{1}{3}V^2

can you finish from there?
(edited 7 years ago)

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