EU protection racket threatens to kneecap England

The single market is a protectionist cartel designed to enforce political union on it's cowed members by economic union. With arrogant 'teutons' lecturing people on what to do, to the detriment of most European nations, especially the south. Thank **** we are out. Shame so many of our politicians are still sell outs, but it can change in the future I guess.

Absolutely. And what I found interesting is that these guys, incredibly intelligent as they are, are also truly pro-European in the cultural sense. As I said, one of them, who placed in the top 3 on the BCL, works for the number 1 chambers in the country... he speaks, reads and writes medieval German. Latin and Italian. He's a Wagner fanatic. We spent three weeks in Italy on a road trip from Palermo to Venice, he is one of the most culturally un-Anglo-Saxon Anglo-Saxons you will ever meet. But he also has a very strong sense of the importance of democratic accountability and his view is that it is a mistake, and contrary to all the lessons the English have learned about democracy since 1688, to have a body that we cannot vote out making laws for us (and as someone who has done some work in the EU regulatory law area, he knows whereof he speaks).

The single market is a protectionist cartel designed to enforce political union on it's cowed members by economic union. With arrogant 'teutons' lecturing people on what to do, to the detriment of most European nations, especially the south. Thank **** we are out. Shame so many of our politicians are still sell outs, but it can change in the future I guess.

Cool story, but what has this got to do with us?

We will be leaving the EU but can still have access to the single market. Why is it in our interests to completely leave the single market?

For the sake of trade and business we are better off with access.

Good, and so they should. It was made crystal clear that this was going to happen before the vote so anybody acting as if this is some kind of surprise must have had wool in their ears.

Good, and so they should. It was made crystal clear that this was going to happen before the vote so anybody acting as if this is some kind of surprise must have had wool in their ears.

Spoken like a true masochist.

What a patriot. Thanks for the solidarity.

Not as a masochist, as someone who supports the EU and someone who hasn't deluded themselves with delusions of grandeur about Britain's importance in the world.



It's a pleasure.

I think you have strong delusions of grandeur about a federal Europe's importance in the world.

Not as a masochist, as someone who supports the EU and someone who hasn't deluded themselves with delusions of grandeur about Britain's importance in the world.



It's a pleasure.

I don't think so

I've heard this over and over- we must be in the EU because empire is gone, and Brexiteers want to 'relive empire'. It has no basis in reality and reeks of projection. Actually remainers are the ones obsessed with 'foreign policy presence' and want the US wants. It was absolutely nothing to do with that, I'd be quite happy conducting very little foreign policy at all. I voted on the basis of economics, self-determination, liberty and democracy.

The EU is doomed and it is hard to see who it benefits beyond Germany and maybe the odd country.They have proven they cannot change and what they are about. They are economically failing. They obliterate democracy and treat European peoples with contempt. They are causing misery and shifts to extreme left and right.

We can be a global nation and have access to the single market so, again, why should we leave the single market all together?

The article doesn't have anything which supports the argument that we should abandon the EU and the single market.

I voted on the basis of global security, peace, science, the environment, tolerance and freedom of movement. Whilst Little Englanders believe their fantasies that you can ignore what's going on in the rest of the world and shut it out with with walls and barriers, they are existing on a totally different plane of reality with people who are actually in tune with what is going on in this world. Anybody who believes that the concept of the nation state is something that can exist forever is severely and dangerously deluded.



The EU is not doomed.

Oh, thats one again. 'Little Englanders' Just because we believe in a right to political self-determination. Would you refer to Little Caribbeaners? Or little Indianers?

Why can we be called that for rejecting political union? In that case they are little Europeans for not wanting union with Russia, Syria, Turkey, Iraq, you name it.

Anyone who believes in Utopia is dangerously deluded, history has shown you will have to cross rivers of blood and never get there anyway. Anyone who believes global governance is not sinister and to the detriment of the people is dangerously deluded. Anyone who believes you an eradicate tribe and culture and homogenize humanity is dangerously deluded ad it serves a societal, moral evolutionary purpose.

Come back in 2020. The EU is shot.

I voted on the basis of global security, peace, science, the environment, tolerance and freedom of movement. Whilst Little Englanders believe their fantasies that you can ignore what's going on in the rest of the world and shut it out with with walls and barriers, they are existing on a totally different plane of reality with people who are actually in tune with what is going on in this world. Anybody who believes that the concept of the nation state is something that can exist forever is severely and dangerously deluded. *

I find this interesting, the most ridiculously well accomplished people I've ever met, generally did vote leave, I voted remain, but I respect democracy and the TitanticTwitPhil is definitely fulfilling this stereotype of a sneering middle class crybaby.

In my experience Remainers are often (not always, but usually) desperately insecure lower-middle class people who think that being pro-EU confers on them a sophistication and worldliness they lack and will never possess. Most of them are Little Europeans who have never travelled anywhere that requires you to get a visa or visa waiver.

My most intelligent friends, the ones that got 1st-class honours at Oxford, work at the chancery bar, can speak fluent medieval German and regularly travel to the far east..., they all voted Leave

That's because they will be OK. They don't really rely on the real economy the rest of us inhabit and even if they did with a genuinely elite skill set they can emigrate anywhere if it all goes tits up.

The caricature of Remainers is as simplistic as that of Brexiters. It is not about loving the perceived cultural aspects of the EU. It is for me about the lack of faith I have in the British government and the electorate which votes it in. It is also about guaranteeing Britain's economic stability. Quite simply it is in my assessment in the British national interest and the British people's interest to stay in. Just because one supports the flag-waving side doesn't mean one is being patriotic: quite the opposite in this case.

So it dies as a model. I'm fairly relaxed though, because I am pretty sure the single market and EU will die.