Indian army crosses into Pakistan to attack terrorist targets

It's very interesting how one of the actions that started the chain of events leading to the Islamic genocide of Hindus in Kashmir was the corrupt chief minister building a mosque over a Hindu temple.

This is classic Islam; murdering and pillaging their way into power and then abolishing and wiping out the native culture, homogenising everything down to an Arab Muslim common denominator and often abolishing ancient civilisations, ways of life, religions and languages in the process. They then build mosques over the conquered houses of worships, like churches and temples, as the ultimate and naked display of their power, a kind of cultural rape of the vanquished.

This is what happened to the incredible Egyptian culture which, by the 7th century, was the most amazing mixing-pot of ancient Egyptian, Ptolemaic Greek, Hebrew and Roman influences. All wiped out in the name of Islam and with the homogenising acid of Arabic culture and practices that dissolves the native ouevre.

This is what they did to the Byzantine Empire; the repository of European civilisation, art and culture from both Romans and Greeks, while the West went through the dark ages. The ruler of this sophisticated civlisation was, legally, the Roman Emperor, the Eastern half of the empire having survived another thousand years after the fall of the West (in fact, the Byzantines didn't call themselves Byzantines; although Greek-speaking, they called themselves Romans and called their empire the Roman Empire). This time the acidic homogenising culture was the Turkic cultures. The sack of Constantinople in 1453, and subsequent transformation of churches like the Hagia Sophia into mosques (often with the amazing frescoes and mosaics made of gold, rubies, lapis lazuli and exotic paints stripped off the walls and melted down to be sold off in the bazaar). Imagine all those libraries and government archives, the thousand years of diplomatic and government records, the holdings of the churches and monasteries, the variety and depth of literature going back to the Roman Republic and ancient Greek city states, containing hundreds of thousands of texts that are now completely lost to history. The total destruction of the Imperial Library of Constantinople in 1453 stands as much, in fact probably far more, than the destruction of the library of Alexandria. We can thank Islam for that.

We saw this happen to the cultural inheritors of the Babylonian and Sumerian cultures, to the flourishing and sophisticated Greek-speaking culture that was predominant in and around Palestine and Syria. We saw it happen to the Jewish tribes of Arabia, who had been resident there long before the vulgar crook and fraud, the desert warlord, turned up and started his religious protection racket.

Now it would be perfectly valid for the Arab Muslim community of today to say, "That happened 1200 years ago, are you required to answer for the actions of Charlemagne?", to which the answer is we don't venerate and semi-worship Charlemagne. We don't celebrate ancient conquests by the Romans or Byzantines as a current part of our culture and heritage. We don't speak of the Frankish kings in breathless terms of admiration and a progenitor and model for all who came after. The Muslim culture is so very pleased with itself when it looks back at the Islamic conquests. This love of battle, of conquest, the religious climate which led to so much of the Quran being about relationships between Muslims and non-Muslims, about conflict between Muslims and non-Muslims, about when and how Muslims may divvy up the loot when they conquer non-Muslims. That veneration of violence and conquest and medieval values are a huge reason, in my opinion, why Islam is in such a complete mess today.

If they are going to celebrate this culture of conquest, then they should be prepared for us to criticise it and the awful consequences it had for world culture (which we are seeing again with the attempted genocide of groups like the Yezidi, one of the very few pre-Christian non-Hebraic religious groups left in the Middle East.... and with the attempt to destroy Palmyra and antiquities)

For those wondering why Indians are so jubilant about the attacks on Pakistani soil, there's obviously the Indo-Pak rivalry, but there's also the fact that there was huge pressure on the Government of India to react after the Uri terror attacks last week on an Indian Army base that has claimed the lives of 19 Indian soldiers.

Every time there is a Jihadi attack on Indian soil, usually carried out by either the Pakistani state or "non-state actors" (read: terrorists allegedly funded and supported by the ISI and the military), India has adopted a failed policy of "strategic restraint" i.e.: do virtually nothing at all or simply "talk".

India presents all the evidence to Pakistan and hopes that Pakistan will act against the culprits. e.g.: With the 2008 Mumbai attacks and the Pathankot attacks earlier this year.

The result is nothing, zilch, nada.

The path of dialogue has been adopted as well to no avail. It's usually India that reaches out to Pakistan first to try and resolve issues diplomatically, whether that was Prime Ministers Vajpayee, Manmohan Singh or Modi in recent history. But every time there is some progress and it looks like normalcy will return, there is a terror attack on India with links to Pakistan.

India's patience has worn thin, it has had enough and it has finally responded to a terror attack on its soil by carrying out strikes on terrorist camps operating in Pakistan.

Pakistan is now being isolated diplomatically by other countries. There was a historic SAARC meeting coming up being held in Pakistan, but 5 nations have now boycotted it: India, Sri Lanka, Bangladesh, Afghanistan and Bhutan all citing Pakistani interference in the region.

Around the world, no country has condemned the surgical strikes carried out by India (in fact a few countries have supported them), but many are now looking to Pakistan to do more to reign in terror outfits operating in Pakistan. US Senators have even introduced a bill in the House of Representatives to officially declare Pakistan as a state sponsor of terrorism.

Just to be clear, most Indians have no problem with the average Pakistani and they are victims of terrorism too. The problem is with the Pakistani state, its ISI, military and terrorist proxies such as JeM, JuD, LeT etc. that routinely attack India.

"Secretary General Ban Ki Moon on Friday expressed regrets over the fact that UNMOGIP (United Nations Military Observer Group in India and Pakistan) has not been able to fully function due to India’s non-cooperation, adding that the UN’s military mission is only able to operate on the Pakistani controlled side of the LoC as India refuses to accept its functioning on the other side and opposes its expansion."

The UN has also confirmed that there was no surgical strike.

How embarrassing for all of the hate filled Indians thumping their chests on this thread.*

The UN has not confirmed anything nor will it and it does not want to ever get involved either.
All it does is urges India-Pakistan to bilaterally talk and solve their issues.
Dont use your sources from Duniya TV, Dawn News or *Insert Pakistani News Source here* .
Come out of your Wonderland, Alice.

India blames Pakistan without evidence to pacify domestic opinion. Can you show me any evidence? Remember the Samjhauta bombings? The one committed by a Hindu army captain and blamed immediately on Pak?

What's your opinion on the Indians backing Baloch terrorists and the TTP in Pakistan? Something several federal ministers of the BJP have proudly admitted **

Where did the perpetrators of 26/11 come from? Where did Amir Ajmal Kasam Come from? From Hell? Or from your mothers sasural in Jalalabad?

Ah good old denial .*

How come India has taken back its initial claim of a surgical strike? Would you like me to back up that claim with Indian newspaper?

As far as the US congressmen go- Senator John McCain and scores more US senators rallied to Pakistan's side and assured the government that the petition was the work of a tiny lobby group and not the will of Congress*

Believe what you want Jihadi Alice.
As far as taking back the surgical strike claim is concerned nothing like that has happened, what your source on that?
Sure provide me with your credible Indian newspaper source, nothing like that happened unless you have been reading the Times of Lahore recently.

Where did the perpetrators of 26/11 come from? Where did Amir Ajmal Kasam Come from? From Hell? Or from your mothers sasural in Faridkot?

India has provided Pakistan will ample evidence and it has been almost 8 years and
hafiz Sayed goes around freely and gives his speeches inciting hate and jihad freely acroos Pakistani kashmir. So are Maulana masood azhar, the Haqqanis and so was Osama living freely.

Evidence please

I can stand here and make plenty of BS claims as well*

I hope India elects Modi as their god emperor and he removes all terrorists

Awww hahah you guys are so cute you know.*

*http://www.thehindu.com/todays-paper/tp-national/rathore-rules-out-use-of-copters-aerial-strikes/article9165152.ece

No copters, no planes- awesome surgical strike guys! Did you ride across the border on cows or something?

"India conducts super deadly surgical strike!

Btw hamara aik londa tumhari taraf chala gya hai. Us ko wapas kardo plzzzz"*

Good luck running your kothas and for your maa and bhen dancing in front of the americans and Chinese doing mujra, and begging for money.
You with your advanced american donated Weaponry, Tanks and aircraft could not stand a chance against our badly armed
Ww2 era military armed which was armed with Lee enfields, Shermans.

India is very aware that Pakistan has nukes. They wouldn't force Pakistan to use nukes, they'd probably just enforce a peace treaty or ceasefire.

MODI? He's the one responsible for the genocide in Kashmir, he's not gonna do anything to help with this terrorist situation.

There is no genocide except that which was done by Islamic militants.

Obviously you don't understand what genocide means.

the Palestinian population has grown 8-fold since 1948.

Is the Philippines a good case to cite? There is a major Islamic insurgency in the south of the Philippines,

Very few people were killed in the US invasion, and the number of civilians accidentally killed by US forces during the occupation was not a substantial part of the total. The largest part of the total was Muslims killing other Muslims.

And nothing the US did forced Iraqis to go sectarian and start murdering each other in large numbers,

And you can hardly blame Syria's civil war on the US.

There's something in the Islamic mindset that just seems to love feeling like a martyr, feeling oppressed, feeling like they share this status with other Muslims in places they've never been and about which they know almost nothing.

. all of this has contributed to a situation where there were more British Muslims fighting for ISIS than British Muslims in the UK Armed Forces.

WW3?

India blames Pakistan without evidence to pacify domestic opinion. Can you show me any evidence? Remember the Samjhauta bombings? The one committed by a Hindu army captain and blamed immediately on Pak?

What's your opinion on the Indians backing Baloch terrorists and the TTP in Pakistan? Something several federal ministers of the BJP have proudly admitted **