Home Secretary branded "racist" for her immigration plans.

No, you have not. In what sense does such a policy constitute seeking to turn a country into a Safe Space?

In what sense is getting firms to report the proportion of their workers who are foreigners 'babying citizens'?

In what sense is getting firms to report the proportion of their workers who are foreigners 'babying citizens'?

and your assumption is that the people who built one of the most successful nations in human history are less intelligent, less creative and less hardworking than people from failed states. Funny that.

Just because Britain had a successful empire doesn't mean all its citizens for the rest of eternity are intelligent and deserve credit for it

You are right, but why do largely middle class White Brits think the average Brit is an idiot and that every immigrant is a hardworking doctor, lawyer or engineer? Bear in mind I am only part British by ethnicity, I'm just sick to death of the bull.

I also struggle to see how considering its own citizens first - as is the primary duty of any government - count as "babying" them. It's easy for middle-class, metropolitan types to say that but tell that to the guy or girl who just got undercut by people willing to work for nothing. They've just gone from supporting their family and paying off the mortgage to living like crap.*

I think we see a lot of lazy brits these days (especially when compared to previous generations), we just don't have a hard working ethic in this country anymore. Even unskilled immigrants can be more hardworking (obviously, they appreciate the opportunity more).

I think the government should look to provide more opportunities for young people to develop skills needed in the world of work and work experience. University isn't the only path in life and the other options need to more encouraged for people who don't want to go to uni.

Well said. Many foreign workers are willing to live in large shared houses, two or three to a room, and so they have very low overheads and will happily take low wages. They live in very poor conditions to save money that can be sent home to their family. Corbyn's claim that they can just raise the minimum wage and enforce it is completely feeble; firstly, the minimum wage is hardly enough to raise a family and pay a mortgage. Second, even if it was widely enforced (it never is and probably can't be) the fact that you have large numbers of foreign workers who are willing to take low wages means that you have large numbers of jobs aggregating around that minimum wage in terms of their pay. It's supply and demand. So simply raising the minimum wage and enforcing it doesn't help with the fact that the minimum wage is still **** and allowing large numbers of foreign workers to flood in increases the number of jobs that will only pay minimum wage.

So who does this benefit? It benefits big business, it benefits slum lords, it benefits the families of these people back home... but how does it benefit ordinary Britons? Theresa May in her speech after becoming First Lord of the Treasury pointed out that the group with the lowest chance of going to university are white working-class boys. I think it's time we started looking after our own first rather than constantly being expected to put the rest of the world's interests first and then being branded racist if we even consider doing something different. The days of that tactic working are over.

I think we see a lot of lazy brits these days (especially when compared to previous generations), we just don't have a hard working ethic in this country anymore. Even unskilled immigrants can be more hardworking (obviously, they appreciate the opportunity more). I think the government should look to provide more opportunities for young people to develop skills needed in the world of work and work experience. University isn't the only path in life and the other options need to more encouraged for people who don't want to go to uni.

But how does it help us? I'd be the best toilet cleaner Lichtenstein has ever seen if I'm getting 80k and only had to do it for / or 3 years and I'm coming back to Blighty with silly money in my bank account. I don't care if I'm sharing a room with Steve and Martin in order to minimise expenses.*

How does it help them when they suddenly compete with me who's not supporting a family in Lichtenstein and lives 2/3 to a room? Answer me that.

My analogy is extreme but I've seen it count in this country with electricians, plumbers, builders, all sorts.

Again. I don't blame the immigrants themselves one bit but don't be a dickhead and tell Phil it's his fault he lost out and he's a bigot for not embracing it.

Then they wonder why people consider them to be elitist bell ends and vote to leave the EU in a rage quit.

All these educated young people with degrees and stuff, never scrubbed a toilet or lifted a brick in their lives, never done a real job in their lives

You don't answer my question with a question, ducks. If you can't answer, just say so

Well said. Many foreign workers are willing to live in large shared houses, two or three to a room, and so they have very low overheads and will happily take low wages. They live in very poor conditions to save money that can be sent home to their family. Corbyn's claim that they can just raise the minimum wage and enforce it is completely feeble; firstly, the minimum wage is hardly enough to raise a family and pay a mortgage. Second, even if it was widely enforced (it never is and probably can't be) the fact that you have large numbers of foreign workers who are willing to take low wages means that you have large numbers of jobs aggregating around that minimum wage in terms of their pay. It's supply and demand. So simply raising the minimum wage and enforcing it doesn't help with the fact that the minimum wage is still **** and allowing large numbers of foreign workers to flood in increases the number of jobs that will only pay minimum wage.

So who does this benefit? It benefits big business, it benefits slum lords, it benefits the families of these people back home... but how does it benefit ordinary Britons? Theresa May in her speech after becoming First Lord of the Treasury pointed out that the group with the lowest chance of going to university are white working-class boys. I think it's time we started looking after our own first rather than constantly being expected to put the rest of the world's interests first and then being branded racist if we even consider doing something different. The days of that tactic working are over.

Well said. Many foreign workers are willing to live in large shared houses, two or three to a room, and so they have very low overheads and will happily take low wages. They live in very poor conditions to save money that can be sent home to their family. Corbyn's claim that they can just raise the minimum wage and enforce it is completely feeble; firstly, the minimum wage is hardly enough to raise a family and pay a mortgage. Second, even if it was widely enforced (it never is and probably can't be) the fact that you have large numbers of foreign workers who are willing to take low wages means that you have large numbers of jobs aggregating around that minimum wage in terms of their pay. It's supply and demand. So simply raising the minimum wage and enforcing it doesn't help with the fact that the minimum wage is still **** and allowing large numbers of foreign workers to flood in increases the number of jobs that will only pay minimum wage.

So who does this benefit? It benefits big business, it benefits slum lords, it benefits the families of these people back home... but how does it benefit ordinary Britons? Theresa May in her speech after becoming First Lord of the Treasury pointed out that the group with the lowest chance of going to university are white working-class boys. I think it's time we started looking after our own first rather than constantly being expected to put the rest of the world's interests first and then being branded racist if we even consider doing something different. The days of that tactic working are over.

Completely 100% agree with this. It's not the just wages which have been lowered but standards too as we can see from the Sports Direct case. As with you I don't blame the immigrants at all, more the Labour government which introduced the policy. I would love those who brand certain Brits 'lazy' or 'less hardworking' and 'racist' for being against open door migration to go and see for themselves what conditions are like and try and live on the minimum wage.

It's just ridiculous to blame the Labour government, as if there was no immigration before 1997. It has been the long-term policy of both parties to allow in significant numbers of migrants, in fact the real opening of the floodgates happened under Ted Heath, Labour used to be much more sceptical about immigration due to the downward pressure on wages that occurred.

The tendency for many people on the kipper right simply to blame everything on Tony Blair is boring, non-factual and lacking in understanding of British political history. In fact, before the Blair government almost no asylum applications were refused whereas after the Blair government came to power they refused many thousands each year.