Woman kicked out of Berlin cafe for breastfeeding

lol at breastfeeding being a modern idea... what do you think happened before formula milk? society should function for the greater good of its members. And whether the people offended like it or not, breastfeeding is the best thing a mother can do for the baby and to an extent, for the society as breastfeeding reduces occurance of diseases that would burden the society and the health system in the future. So let's weigh this out against "older people feel uncomfortable". Expressing milk using a pump is an idea, however it is not always practical as it takes ages to do, and should be stored in the fridge, so in a long day out this is not an option.*

I don't know if you have actually ever seen a woman breastfeeding, but you can NOT see a boob or nipple, the baby covers it. You see more boobs on posters and advertisements. The exposure time is literally 1 or 2 seconds until the baby starts feeding. So to actually see an exposed boob, you would have to be looking for it.*

You've not read carefully enough. Funnily enough, I wasn't stupid enough to suggest that breastfeeding is modern. I suggested that doing it in public is modern. You also are not understanding the concept behind my argument - it's got nothing to do with what you can and cannot see. It's to do with how it might make other people feel. Why should you automatically feel that your right to do something trumps other people's opinion and feelings around you? We don't all live as individual little bubbles, exercising our rights and to hell with anyone else. It's a balance of rights and responsibilities in a structured society.

You know why it's modern? Because before formula milk women were meant to stay at home in their kitchens and look after their kids. At home. And unless you are sexist enough to suggest this should still be happening then your argument is invalid. And how you make people feel works both ways. Breastfeeding mothers don't need you to make them feel uncomfortable for doing the best for their child. Why do you automatically think that the mother's feelings are less important to the rest of the people? I guess my point is that when people are uncomfortable with something with no rational explanation as to why should not be done in public except "because I feel it's uncomfortable", then what we need is an attitude change, and not to isolate a whole group of people, kicking them out of cafes and stuff.

Again, I didn't suggest that she should have been kicked out of a cafe, but you're not engaging with my argument so we'll leave it there. Thanks.

that's what happened in the story that is the original OP. I answered to your argument, you just choose to ignore it because you don't know how to answer. But yeah I guess let's just leave it to that and agree to disagree.

Good. breastfeeding is acceptable, just not in public, it's like waking up in the morning naked, go straight out the door of your home, without brushing teeth, and having a shower, and going to a cafe naked, this is unacceptable.

You've not read carefully enough. Funnily enough, I wasn't stupid enough to suggest that breastfeeding is modern. I suggested that doing it in public is modern. You also are not understanding the concept behind my argument - it's got nothing to do with what you can and cannot see. It's to do with how it might make other people feel. Why should you automatically feel that your right to do something trumps other people's opinion and feelings around you? We don't all live as individual little bubbles, exercising our rights and to hell with anyone else. It's a balance of rights and responsibilities in a structured society.

You are wrong here people's rights do trump everything that is why the cafe owner is within their rights kicking them out just like they can anyone else in Germany and it's how it should be here but the government likes to impede and give certain groups more rights.

If you're opening your services to the public then don't cry when the law requires that you treat everyone equally. Might as well introduce segregation if businesses were allowed to do this.

I apply this equally unlike the current law that only protects certain groups, it doesn't matter who does it I am willing to protect their beliefs rather than infringe on their freedom, I personally wouldn't do it but people should have the right to refuse to enter a legal relationship with someone.

The law does not allow discrimination against any group, I suggest you read the Equality Act. You can refuse to enter into a legal relationship with someone as long as you are not discriminating against them on the basis of a protected characteristic "sex, race, religion etc." If that wasn't the case then businesses might as well be allowed to put up signs saying "no LGBT allowed" and "Jews not wanted here", which would be regressive.

1.Read my analogy.
2. your wrong, people can look wherever they want.
3. the problem is the person who is making the problem, in this case, it is people that breastfeed in public.
4.sure its natural, that's not a good excuse to be half naked.
4. the women can use the pump thing to take the milk out before she leaves the house.

How many businesses would actually do that?
People have the right to express their belief even if it's wrong, do you support the authoritarian measures currently in place that stops people expressing their religious beliefs if they run a business? I do not.

If someone openly believes being homosexuality should be illegal and gays should be killed should a gay owner be able to refuse to serve them? Even if it is the part of the religion the customer is a part of

The law does not allow discrimination against any group, I suggest you read the Equality Act. You can refuse to enter into a legal relationship with someone as long as you are not discriminating against them on the basis of a protected characteristic "sex, race, religion etc." If that wasn't the case then businesses might as well be allowed to put up signs saying "no LGBT allowed" and "Jews not wanted here", which would be regressive.

My opinion- it's private property, owner is allowed to do whatever he/she chooses. Also if people around her find her breast feeding uncomfortable, some may do, it;s in his best interest to try and appease this larger cohort of customer than keep the mother in the cafe. Nevertheless, it should not be something to find uncomfortable it's natural and should not be shunned. People will change their views sooner or later.