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What he meant is that the definition of protagonist is to be a leading characterr on the good side of a story, whereas antagonist is the bad one who works against the protagonist - so in Islamic history, the Muslimoon are most often the protagonists, and the munafiqoon and kafiroon are the antagonists - meaning if you call Ideas the protagonist, it means you think he is a swell lad, rishta material, top quality Akh, etc



Both of you

But If I'm a leader of the munafiqs and I have an Isoc deputy rank, does that means you're the common munafiq coz you're a member of Isoc? Damn HAnwar you just cussed yourself and everyone else too.

What he meant is that the definition of protagonist is to be a leading characterr on the good side of a story, whereas antagonist is the bad one who works against the protagonist - so in Islamic history, the Muslimoon are most often the protagonists, and the munafiqoon and kafiroon are the antagonists - meaning if you call Ideas the protagonist, it means you think he is a swell lad, rishta material, top quality Akh, etc



Both of you

Supreme leader, please accept my sincerest apologies.

Is muslim-moon the muslim sister of sailor-moon

'...and if he quarrels, he behaves in a very imprudent, evil, insulting manner.' (Signs of a munafiq Bukhari)

Point proven

Good, drink your chai.



Yw. Atleast it's finished now alhamdulillah.

Did not think I'd wake up to pics of chicken.
Do you guys not like to sleep?

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If you aren't careful I'll have you gagged and chained to the pillars of a shrine where you can live the rest of your sectarian days listening to visitors calling upon the inhabitant of the grave

Assalaamu Alaykum

Loool this was a pretty good comeback. Well done.

Assalaamu Alaykum



Alhamdulillah.



Lol.
No we're not humans.

See, the Muslims always win in the end

I'm sorry if I come across rude but all I see you trying to do is justify wrong beliefs, it's not working. I hope you do realise that this goes against Islam and proofs have been provided more than once, yet you haven't answered to any of them which shows you do not wish to accept these hadiths. I understand though, your thinking is different to mine but you have to realise what you're saying is not entirely correct. Going into details and describing what Imam Husayn went through cannot be used as an excuse. If the Prophet and his companions did not make this such a big deal why is it you are? Your opinion on this matter is irrelevant.

Allahu Alam

Well ofcourse. A house in Jannah is guaranteed for one who stops arguing, even if he (the arguer) is in the right. And I stopped arguing with you first, so definitely a win

You did not understand the purpose of the quote. You said:
"So do you have another example that equates to Imam Hussains sacrifice"

And the obvious answer is yes. The Prophets and Messengers. And many of the companions.

This does not belittle Hussains sacrifice at all. Just highlights your argument is baseless.

The point of the quote was if one was to mourn the death of al hussain in the way you claim. Then those who have much higher status than him have passed away such as the messenger but one does not do as you claim.

My initial contention was "none did what Imam Hussain did" which, historicly. is true.

I could comment on your post but will not due to rules of "no debate"

Don't be ridiculous now brother.
Every school boy around the muslim world learns about the two grandsons of the prophet pbuh and love for them is instilled in every child.
Evidence for this being the hundreds of millions of sunni muslims named and naming their children Hassan and Hussain.

Baseless pointless statements like this really get on my nerve.
Apologies if the tone in my post is harsh.

But where did you get thia from like why is it not recommended? Tbh first timr I have ever heard something like this? Please prove to me it is the sunnah of the prophet (saw) to fast half day only on ashura?

As for the questions, I very well know what you are trying to do here and I am disappointed with this approach as nearly all shias have this classic approach to the question rather than giving proper answers according to Islam.

I am sorry you very well know that self harm by purpose is not allowed in Islam. Be it whatever sect I will not agree with bid'ah and clearly all the mourning and matam with self harm is bid'ah.

One thing I really don't get is what happened to all the fatwas? Shias say they are not allowed self-harm etc and here again I see it being defended by a shia? So basically if it is allowed in shiasm then why say it is not in the first place? as all the points being made is leading towards that there is nothing wrong with it.

1. With the story of Prophet Yaqub (AS), who am I to even say yes or no? And he only showed grief to Allah swt not make an occasion out of it.

2. I am sorry to say you have the verse completely wrong and need to read the tafsir on this. She did not literally hit/smack her face at all to hurt herself.

she smote her face, meaning, she struck herself upon her forehead, according to Mujahid and Ibn Sabit. Ibn Abbas said:
"she smacked her face just as women do when confronted with an amazing thing,"

and said: "A barren old woman!''
meaning, "How can I give birth while I am an old
woman And even when I was young I was barren
and could not have children,''

They said: "Even so says your Lord. Verily, He is the All-
Wise, the All-Knower,''
`He is the All-Knower of the honor that you are
worthy of and He is the most Wise in His
statements and decisions.'

3. No. Since when was fasting on the month of ramadan as all Muslims know is obligatory equal to self-harm? If it is ordered by Allah swt then there is definitely benefits to it not disadvantages SubhanAllah.

What I am trying to say is that it is not in the sunnah to start doing acts that are unnecessary to show grief and just for this day. If you care then keep it between you and Allah swt and pray, no need to make a big deal out of it. No one said to not remember the event etc but there is a way to do this instead of all the innovation acts/practices.

What he meant is that the definition of protagonist is to be a leading character on the good side of a story, whereas antagonist is the bad one who works against the protagonist

Not true. There have no doubt been many times in history where people have been martyred for standing up to tyrants.

Just look at Aleppo over the last few months alone. Men, women and children being massacred in the 100s because they oppose the tyrant of Syria and his allies (Khamenei, Putin etc.).

All I am saying, is that there are non muslims who know Imam Hussain .