Congratulations Britain, you played yourself.
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Original post by Student1670
There is a petition to ask Parliament whether it is constitutional to accept a simple majority vote or whether a vote of for example 60% is necessary for material constitutional change such as leaving the EU. If you are unhappy with the vote to Leave the EU you may want to sign the petition:
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/131215
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Pathetic
Original post by Zargabaath
The oldest people in the country are the ones who've been around in and out of the EU. They're the ones who've seen how it's impacted and changed their country. They're literally eyewitnesses to the entire life of the EU. Surely they're the ones who's opinions we should be taking into account?
And the fact you're trying to remove people's right to vote shows how fascist you are. Trying to shut down people who you think differently to you.
And also if you think all brexiters are becky with 1 GCSE and old people, you need to get tf out of your bubble and try to understand and empathise with those surrounding you a bit more. You're entire post reeks of ignorance.
And the fact you're trying to remove people's right to vote shows how fascist you are. Trying to shut down people who you think differently to you.
And also if you think all brexiters are becky with 1 GCSE and old people, you need to get tf out of your bubble and try to understand and empathise with those surrounding you a bit more. You're entire post reeks of ignorance.
Yay someone said it
Original post by Reue
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Migration was just a small part of why people voted to leave the EU.
Original post by Reue
Pathetic
I commend you for such an insightful response.
The petition was prepared long before the vote on Thurday.
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Original post by Student1670
I commend you for such an insightful response.
You have my thanks
Original post by Student1670
The petition was prepared long before the vote on Thurday.
Clearly not long enough in advance to have been discussed and implemented before the vote, which would have been when it had any actual value.
Original post by Student1670
I commend you for such an insightful response.
The petition was prepared long before the vote on Thurday.
The petition was prepared long before the vote on Thurday.
Whilst the petition may have been created long before the referendum took place, any discussion of this petition by parliament will take place after the referendum. If parliament were to implement such a rule, it would not effect referendums that have been completed in the past but only future referendums.
People of any age over 18 should be allowed to vote, but IMO there should be some kind of test people have to take before they can vote for things like this. Something that shows they understand what they are voting for. I'm fed up of hearing about 'Bregret' and the apparent rise in racial abuse since the Brexit "victory". These people should not get a say in the future of our country.
Original post by Nerol
People of any age over 18 should be allowed to vote, but IMO there should be some kind of test people have to take before they can vote for things like this. Something that shows they understand what they are voting for. I'm fed up of hearing about 'Bregret' and the apparent rise in racial abuse since the Brexit "victory". These people should not get a say in the future of our country.
But if there was a test the first thing a party like UKIP would do would be to tell their potential supporters how to pass such a test.
Let's see now ,off the top of my head,they would probably point out to the older people that they should never refer to people of colour as 'darkies'and to younger supporters that they should not assume that all Poles are alcoholic ,racist plumbers.
Oh you are referring to knowledge about the economy and whatnot.? Hmm. The problem there is that much of what really matters is to do with the understanding of very large numbers and (admittedly)basic maths.
And this isn't something that can easily be acquired it seems.
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Original post by Nerol
People of any age over 18 should be allowed to vote, but IMO there should be some kind of test people have to take before they can vote for things like this. Something that shows they understand what they are voting for. I'm fed up of hearing about 'Bregret' and the apparent rise in racial abuse since the Brexit "victory". These people should not get a say in the future of our country.
what about brexbanter, I voted for brexit to troll.
Original post by physicsphysics91
what about brexbanter, I voted for brexit to troll.
Original post by moggis
But if there was a test the first thing a party like UKIP would do would be to tell their potential supporters how to pass such a test.
Let's see now ,off the top of my head,they would probably point out to the older people that they should never refer to people of colour as 'darkies'and to younger supporters that they should not assume that all Poles are alcoholic ,racist plumbers.
Oh you are referring to knowledge about the economy and whatnot.? Hmm. The problem there is that much of what really matters is to do with the understanding of very large numbers and basic maths.
And this isn't something that can easily be cured.
Let's see now ,off the top of my head,they would probably point out to the older people that they should never refer to people of colour as 'darkies'and to younger supporters that they should not assume that all Poles are alcoholic ,racist plumbers.
Oh you are referring to knowledge about the economy and whatnot.? Hmm. The problem there is that much of what really matters is to do with the understanding of very large numbers and basic maths.
And this isn't something that can easily be cured.
It's not an idea I've planned out in depth. I guess a test would need to be specific to what the vote is for, so not necessarily about the economy. For example, in this case, the test would need to question what the voter agrees and disagrees with from each side, and throw in some wrong information and curveballs to really check their understanding of what they are voting for. They could also answer true or false questions about the EU, or something similar to show they actually know what it is, thus avoiding the humiliation of people Googling 'what is the EU' the day after the vote. Wallies.
It wouldn't be about proving you're not racist, just a simple test to show you understand what you're voting for. I'm not saying it's a practical idea we could just put into practice now, but it seems like a possible idea for weaseling out people who don't really know what they're voting for, and people who have one narrow-minded belief and vote a certain way because of it.
I have no issue with people who voted for leave, if they actually did some research and knew what they were voting for and understood the risks they were taking. I have some mates, and there's people on this forum also, that voted leave who can give a coherent argument as to why they think we should leave. I don't agree with them in the slightest and think they're missing a much bigger picture to focus on small issues, but fair enough that's their decision and their vote.
What I have major issues with are the swathes of Leave voters that voted on pure ignorance and hate, after being spoon fed outright lies by a campaign designed to fuel their xenophobia and nationalism. I work in an area that was 63% leave, one of those neglected Labour heartlands, and deal with the public every day an/1d it's just ****ing frightening to be honest. "Why'd you vote remain when there's 1 million Turks waiting to come here next week?!" Is probably my favourite of many comments this week.
As an area we get far more out than we put in from EU funding, money that would never have been invested from a Labour or Conservative government. Everyone knows someone that works at Nissan up the road, and they've made it very clear their presence in the region would be under review should we leave. Yet nearly two thirds of people took a ridiculous decision to kick out at some sort of perceived "establishment." They've effectively blamed the EU for the problems National Governments have created over the past 20 years in my eyes, and now they're going to end up with a more right wing Tory government which is the last thing the area needs, or indeed wants. Can totally see UKIP becoming the dominant force up in the North East in the next 10 years which is depressing as ****.
What I have major issues with are the swathes of Leave voters that voted on pure ignorance and hate, after being spoon fed outright lies by a campaign designed to fuel their xenophobia and nationalism. I work in an area that was 63% leave, one of those neglected Labour heartlands, and deal with the public every day an/1d it's just ****ing frightening to be honest. "Why'd you vote remain when there's 1 million Turks waiting to come here next week?!" Is probably my favourite of many comments this week.
As an area we get far more out than we put in from EU funding, money that would never have been invested from a Labour or Conservative government. Everyone knows someone that works at Nissan up the road, and they've made it very clear their presence in the region would be under review should we leave. Yet nearly two thirds of people took a ridiculous decision to kick out at some sort of perceived "establishment." They've effectively blamed the EU for the problems National Governments have created over the past 20 years in my eyes, and now they're going to end up with a more right wing Tory government which is the last thing the area needs, or indeed wants. Can totally see UKIP becoming the dominant force up in the North East in the next 10 years which is depressing as ****.
People over 65 have worked harder in their lives than you ever have. They deserve to vote more than anyone else.
The idea that those over 65 shouldn't be able to vote is ridiculous. It's literally not a democracy if you prevent people who disagree with you from voting based on some arbitrary factor such as age. I voted remain but ****ing hell you people need to get over the fact that the leave vote was the majority. It was a fair democratic vote.
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Do these people not have children and grandchildren whose futures they care about? Do you think they'll vote either way for completely random reasons? I'm sure some will, you'll get people like that in every demographic of voters, but to say that their opinion doesn't count is just absurd.
Original post by PrincessZara
Congratulations Britain, you played yourself...Nobody over 65 should be allowed to vote, cause it's not their future.
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Do these people not have children and grandchildren whose futures they care about? Do you think they'll vote either way for completely random reasons? I'm sure some will, you'll get people like that in every demographic of voters, but to say that their opinion doesn't count is just absurd.
Original post by PrincessZara
We are all gonna suffer now because Becky with her 1 GCSE thinks an immigrant with a medical degree is going to steal her job. #DamnBecky
Congratulations Britain, you played yourself...Nobody over 65 should be allowed to vote, cause it's not their future.
Congratulations Britain, you played yourself...Nobody over 65 should be allowed to vote, cause it's not their future.
The over 65 should still be allowed to vote, despite how stupid we believe their decision was.
The main issue is, why weren't 16 and 17 year olds allowed to vote in a once in a lifetime referendum, that will affect their long term future. (Unlike a general election where you vote again in 5 years time).
Original post by James David
For those thinking a weak pound= a weak economy (@Themini and@Pepsi Cola [s]smile[/s])
Look at the Japanes yen and the Chinese reminbi. Two of the strongest economies f the world with weak currencies.
Look at the Japanes yen and the Chinese reminbi. Two of the strongest economies f the world with weak currencies.
Do you understand the difference between countries that specialise in primary and secondary industries? The Chinese government artificially keeps the Chinese currency low to make their exports highly competitive since that's what drives the Chinese economy. They're specialised in manufacturing. Secondly, we're a service dominated economy, most of the services we provide are because of MNCS who set up HQ in London. We specialise in financial services.Long story short.
We make nothing.
We have no car industry of our own
We have no mining industry
We have no coal industry
Most of the revenue and jobs come from MNCs. The only way we'll fix this is to negotiate a good trade deal so we don't lose our MNCS to Germany or France
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Original post by Themini Do you understand the difference between countries that specialise in primary and secondary industries? The Chinese government artificially keeps the Chinese currency low to make their exports highly competitive since that's what drives the Chinese economy. They're specialised in manufacturing. Secondly, we're a service dominated economy, most of the services we provide are because of MNCS who set up HQ in London. We specialise in financial services.
Long story short.
We make nothing.
We have no car industry of our own
We have no mining industry
We have no coal industry
Most of the revenue and jobs come from MNCs. The only way we'll fix this is to negotiate a good trade deal so we don't lose our MNCS to Germany or France
Do you understand the difference between countries that specialise in primary and secondary industries? The Chinese government artificially keeps the Chinese currency low to make their exports highly competitive since that's what drives the Chinese economy. They're specialised in manufacturing. Secondly, we're a service dominated economy, most of the services we provide are because of MNCS who set up HQ in London. We specialise in financial services.Long story short.
We make nothing.
We have no car industry of our own
We have no mining industry
We have no coal industry
Most of the revenue and jobs come from MNCs. The only way we'll fix this is to negotiate a good trade deal so we don't lose our MNCS to Germany or France
it's sad i spend so much time on tsr
anyway, the Chinese are leaving their currency alone now, but that's a side note. My point was that a weak currency does not equal a weak economy, which is what lots of people think it does.
Negotiating a good deal is paramount, the good thing is that it would mutually benefit us.The german car industry would not want barrier to trade, neither would the french tourist economy, or the italian for that matter.
so securing a good trade del will not be a big deal.The bad news is, that they may want to make an example out of us, to show that leaving the EU is bad, and curb eurosceptism in the 2017 French and German elections.
worst case scenario, the trade deal aint that good, and the pound drops. Our exports become more competitive, so we begin to export again, and where better than the areas hurt by de-industrialiastion, the areas affected by the close of factories.The areas that mostly voted for brevet. Therefore we become an exporting power.Britain is a strong economy, and we will be fine anyhow
Original post by James David
it's sad i spend so much time on tsr
anyway, the Chinese are leaving their currency alone now, but that's a side note. My point was that a weak currency does not equal a weak economy, which is what lots of people think it does.
Negotiating a good deal is paramount, the good thing is that it would mutually benefit us.The german car industry would not want barrier to trade, neither would the french tourist economy, or the italian for that matter.
so securing a good trade del will not be a big deal.The bad news is, that they may want to make an example out of us, to show that leaving the EU is bad, and curb eurosceptism in the 2017 French and German elections.
worst case scenario, the trade deal aint that good, and the pound drops. Our exports become more competitive, so we begin to export again, and where better than the areas hurt by de-industrialiastion, the areas affected by the close of factories.The areas that mostly voted for brevet. Therefore we become an exporting power.Britain is a strong economy, and we will be fine anyhow
anyway, the Chinese are leaving their currency alone now, but that's a side note. My point was that a weak currency does not equal a weak economy, which is what lots of people think it does.
Negotiating a good deal is paramount, the good thing is that it would mutually benefit us.The german car industry would not want barrier to trade, neither would the french tourist economy, or the italian for that matter.
so securing a good trade del will not be a big deal.The bad news is, that they may want to make an example out of us, to show that leaving the EU is bad, and curb eurosceptism in the 2017 French and German elections.
worst case scenario, the trade deal aint that good, and the pound drops. Our exports become more competitive, so we begin to export again, and where better than the areas hurt by de-industrialiastion, the areas affected by the close of factories.The areas that mostly voted for brevet. Therefore we become an exporting power.Britain is a strong economy, and we will be fine anyhow
Maybe you should spend less time raging and more time reading. At no point did I say that a weak currency shows poor economic performance. I said, a crashing currency shows poor economic performance. There's a lot of uncertainty and a lot of people are pulling the strings behind close doors to prepare the move elsewhere in the event of catastrophic failure.
As for your point on German cars, the Germans and the French are the ones telling us to get out quick, because we made the choice to leave and not keep things in limbo till October before the leaving proceedings are supposed to officially begin ( within 2 years of the date).
As for your third point...You still don't get it. WE DONT MAKE ANYTHING. How are exports going to rise if we don't make any domestic products? All the products we make here are thanks to foreign firms who have outsourced to Britain.
-We make very little that we can call our own should our MNCS decide to bail out.
Of what we do make its highly specialised and expensive...i.e. military vehicles, industrial machinery (diggers etc) so how is that going to increase exports?? The US supplies the same stuff to Canda and its own markets at a far lower price. There has to be specific demand in place for our home grown products, there are a lot of factors to consider, it all depends on our trade deal and I agree, the EU will make an example of us.
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Original post by PrincessZara
We are all gonna suffer now because Becky with her 1 GCSE thinks an immigrant with a medical degree is going to steal her job. #DamnBecky
Congratulations Britain, you played yourself...Nobody over 65 should be allowed to vote, cause it's not their future.
Congratulations Britain, you played yourself...Nobody over 65 should be allowed to vote, cause it's not their future.
While you're at it maybe instead of showing a shocking attitude to the democracy that western society relies on, you should wag a finger at your generation, who had the lowest voter turnout for the referendum, instead of sounding like an utter buffoon towards older people.
If you can't fully inform yourselves, and then not even bother to turn up on the day then it's on yourselves.
This generation has now verifiably failed.
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