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Reply 4360
anyone watching the boodles
What time is the Wimbledon draw tomorrow?
Original post by Pandora.
What time is the Wimbledon draw tomorrow?


10am
Original post by Mocking_bird
10am
Great stuff, thanks! :biggrin:
Gutted Wimbledon starts as soon as I have to go back to college :frown:
Murray in Nadal's half again, no surprises there! :lol: Murray's been very unlucky actually, he faces Davydenko in the first round then potentially Karlovic, Dimitrov/Anderson, Raonic, Delpo then Nadal :eek: I'll be extremely surprised if he gets through all those based on current form.
wished they mixed up the top 4 like in the aussie open
Reply 4367
who do you think has the easiest draw?
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First time in a while I'm not even sure he'll get past the first week, that's just depressing :frown:


The only advantage is the top class players tend to come to the fore in 5 set matches as there's a bit more room for error.
Original post by Natty.B
who do you think has the easiest draw?


Probably not federer or djokovic. The mere fact that they are in the same half of the draw means that its probable they'll play each other. Anyone who potentially has to go through 2 out of the top 3 to win a major cannot be said to have an easy draw.

I think its nadal again who has the easiest draw, although it is better than the joke draw he got at rolland garros. At least here, he potentially has to go through del potro.
Original post by internet tough guy
Probably not federer or djokovic. The mere fact that they are in the same half of the draw means that its probable they'll play each other. Anyone who potentially has to go through 2 out of the top 3 to win a major cannot be said to have an easy draw.

I think its nadal again who has the easiest draw, although it is better than the joke draw he got at rolland garros. At least here, he potentially has to go through del potro.


I agree, Nadals draw at Roland Garros was a complete joke, there was no competition for him at all. Have you noticed that Isner could potentially play Mahut once again in the second round again this year? I'm not convinced that these draws are done completely randomly anymore :/


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Original post by jamsie555
I agree, Nadals draw at Roland Garros was a complete joke, there was no competition for him at all. Have you noticed that Isner could potentially play Mahut once again in the second round again this year? I'm not convinced that these draws are done completely randomly anymore :/


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I doubt the draws are completely random, I'm fine with seeding players but sometimes the fixes are ridiculously predictable. From 2010 onwards to now, the top 3 has changed around in all sorts: federer, nadal, djokovic - nadal, federer djokovic - nadal, djokovic, federer - djokovic, nadal, federer. Yet in the 10 grand slams during this period, federer has only been in nadal's half once, and this is similar with djokovic and murray.

Obviously have the top 2 seeds separated, but I think who the top 2 seeds play between the 3rd and 4th ranked player should be completely random.
Reply 4372
The draw is random especially at Wimbledon. They still do it hand picked with journalists in the room, only Grand Slam to do it.
For those who want the link: the men's singles draw is here

It's not too bad. Murray looks to have an okay draw (false optimism I know :tongue:). Djokovic probably has the toughest first round opponent (out of the top 4). I'm hoping for some Tsonga magic if/ when Murray drops out.
Original post by Llewellyn
For those who want the link: the men's singles draw is here

It's not too bad. Murray looks to have an okay draw (false optimism I know :tongue:). Djokovic probably has the toughest first round opponent (out of the top 4). I'm hoping for some Tsonga magic if/ when Murray drops out.


Perhaps Tsonga will face a bionic Roddick (needs his arms and legs replaced) in the final. What a match that would be.
Reply 4375
Original post by internet tough guy
Probably not federer or djokovic. The mere fact that they are in the same half of the draw means that its probable they'll play each other. Anyone who potentially has to go through 2 out of the top 3 to win a major cannot be said to have an easy draw.

I think its nadal again who has the easiest draw, although it is better than the joke draw he got at rolland garros. At least here, he potentially has to go through del potro.


How can you call Nadal's roland garros draws a joke? Remember that most of his opponents were clay court specialists (almagro, monaco, ferrer).

No player except for probably Djokovic would have had a chance of defeating Nadal at roland garros anyway.
Original post by internet tough guy
Probably not federer or djokovic. The mere fact that they are in the same half of the draw means that its probable they'll play each other. Anyone who potentially has to go through 2 out of the top 3 to win a major cannot be said to have an easy draw.

I think its nadal again who has the easiest draw, although it is better than the joke draw he got at rolland garros. At least here, he potentially has to go through del potro.


How has he got the easiest draw exactly?

He has the hardest opening round against Bellucci (people are making too much of Murray playing Davy) and potentially will have to go through either Kohlschreiber (who beat him in Halle) or Haas (conqueror of Federer in Halle), before facing Tsonga in the quarters and then Murray.

Federer has the easiest draw - he doesn't have Berdych, Tsonga or Del Potro, and Isner won't make it past the third round. Does anyone seriously think Tipsarevic can knock him out? He's a virtual lock for a semi final showdown with Djokovic.

Djokovic has the second easiest draw, Ferrero in the first round and no one threatening until he possibly meets Berdych in the quarters.

Murray's draw is a nightmare - Cilic, Raonic, Del Potro, and Roddick all in his quarter, all big servers and could potentially knock him out. Out of the top 4 he's the most likely to fall at the quarter final stage, if he even gets there.
Original post by Sirocco11
How has he got the easiest draw exactly?

He has the hardest opening round against Bellucci (people are making too much of Murray playing Davy) and potentially will have to go through either Kohlschreiber (who beat him in Halle) or Haas (conqueror of Federer in Halle), before facing Tsonga in the quarters and then Murray.

Federer has the easiest draw - he doesn't have Berdych, Tsonga or Del Potro, and Isner won't make it past the third round. Does anyone seriously think Tipsarevic can knock him out? He's a virtual lock for a semi final showdown with Djokovic.

Djokovic has the second easiest draw, Ferrero in the first round and no one threatening until he possibly meets Berdych in the quarters.

Murray's draw is a nightmare - Cilic, Raonic, Del Potro, and Roddick all in his quarter, all big servers and could potentially knock him out. Out of the top 4 he's the most likely to fall at the quarter final stage, if he even gets there.


Like I said, anyone who's on the same side of the draw any one of the top 3 cannot be considered to have the easiest draw. Theres just such a large gap in the quality and consistency of play between djokovic/nadal/federer and the rest. So that rules out djokovic and federer as having the easist draw. Nadal is the one who's got the final on lock, even if murray does manage to get to the semis I doubt he'd do any damage. Then we should have federer and djokovic in the other semis which will be a tough call.

So Nadal has to play someone ranked 76, yeah I'm sure thats a major upset in the making . Seriously, I wouldn't bother paying too much attention to any of the 1st-2nd round opponents to the top 4, lets be honest they're all going to be straight forward 3 set matches. Potentially, the toughest opponent nadal has to face before the final is del potro, sorry but thats just nowhere near as difficult as the prospect of facing federer/djokovic.
Original post by internet tough guy
Like I said, anyone who's on the same side of the draw any one of the top 3 cannot be considered to have the easiest draw. Theres just such a large gap in the quality and consistency of play between djokovic/nadal/federer and the rest. So that rules out djokovic and federer as having the easist draw. Nadal is the one who's got the final on lock, even if murray does manage to get to the semis I doubt he'd do any damage. Then we should have federer and djokovic in the other semis which will be a tough call.

So Nadal has to play someone ranked 76, yeah I'm sure thats a major upset in the making . Seriously, I wouldn't bother paying too much attention to any of the 1st-2nd round opponents to the top 4, lets be honest they're all going to be straight forward 3 set matches. Potentially, the toughest opponent nadal has to face before the final is del potro, sorry but thats just nowhere near as difficult as the prospect of facing federer/djokovic.


A ranking is a number, it doesn't necessarily indicate talent, and Bellucci is no slouch, a powerful player with a big lefty forehand. Lest we forget, Federer struggled with another lefty South American - Alejandro Falla - 2 years ago.

A draw encompasses 7 matches, not just the semi final and final. You seem to be under the impression that the top 3 will straight set everyone they come across before the semis - neither of them managed it last year, Djokovic looked very shaky before the final and Federer was knocked out by Tsonga, who is in Nadal's quarter of the draw. An injury free Tsonga has a good shot against Rafa in the quarters - compare that to Federer who potentially has ... Tipsarevic. Just because Federer and Djokovic are in the same half and will likely face each other doesn't mean they have harder draws. Federer's draw is distinctly easy compared to Djokovic/Nadal/Murray because he doesn't have a single threatening name slated for the quarter finals - he's avoided Tsonga, Berdych, Raonic, Del Potro and Cilic, all of whom I would say have chances to cause an upset.

The way I see it, Federer is a virtual lock for the semi final, Djokovic slightly less so but not by much, and Nadal is a lock for the final. But that does not mean he has an easy draw. I just think he's playing so strongly and with the momentum of RG that only the man in final will have the ability to topple him.
Original post by Sirocco11
A ranking is a number, it doesn't necessarily indicate talent, and Bellucci is no slouch, a powerful player with a big lefty forehand. Lest we forget, Federer struggled with another lefty South American - Alejandro Falla - 2 years ago.

A draw encompasses 7 matches, not just the semi final and final. You seem to be under the impression that the top 3 will straight set everyone they come across before the semis - neither of them managed it last year, Djokovic looked very shaky before the final and Federer was knocked out by Tsonga, who is in Nadal's quarter of the draw. An injury free Tsonga has a good shot against Rafa in the quarters - compare that to Federer who potentially has ... Tipsarevic. Just because Federer and Djokovic are in the same half and will likely face each other doesn't mean they have harder draws. Federer's draw is distinctly easy compared to Djokovic/Nadal/Murray because he doesn't have a single threatening name slated for the quarter finals - he's avoided Tsonga, Berdych, Raonic, Del Potro and Cilic, all of whom I would say have chances to cause an upset.

The way I see it, Federer is a virtual lock for the semi final, Djokovic slightly less so but not by much, and Nadal is a lock for the final. But that does not mean he has an easy draw. I just think he's playing so strongly and with the momentum of RG that only the man in final will have the ability to topple him.


I didn't say they'll straight sets their way into the semis, but I'd be willing to bet on the top 3 winning in straight sets for their first two matches at least. After that, I'd be very surprised if they don't make it into the semis. Even you agree that nadal appearing in the final is almost a certainty.

Federer may not have Tsonga, Berdych, Raonic, Del Potro or Cilic in his path, but come on, its not like either djokovic or nadal will have to face more than 1 of those players, that would be unlikely. So effectively nadal has say for example del potro to face in the quarters whereas federer/djokovic may have some random no-hoper as their opponent, but after that, the fact that federer and djokovic play each other will more than make up for the easier path they may have had prior to the semi-final.

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