EU referendum/Brexit 2016

Local, accountable government.

No, that is the point of committees. Do you think all of rich peers spend their time reading the entire bill?

Do you think the MPs do? If you want to believe it is not a chamber of scrutiny it's well within your rights to be ignorant, nothing has stopped you before.]

What's so magical about local government?

Being wrong hasn't stopped you from being insulting either.

Not my issue if you think that Lords read their bills and scrutinise it properly.

MPs may not do it personally but they have people that read it for them. So you would be wrong on that as well.

So if somebody does it for the MPs it's fine, but for the lords it isn't?

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It has a stronger claim to legitimacy in the eyes of the people it governs, and allows smaller groups to adapt rules more to their specific advantage and tastes. This is particularly desirable in a continent whose populations have wildly divergent political views.

Can everyone please sign and share my petition...

My petition unlimited repeat referendums on leaving the EU, until finally we vote to remain.

Lets keep holding referendums until finally we vote to remain in the EU then stop.Click this link to sign the petition:

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https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/140279/sponsors/Ajr5tBqLEYytTi9kP0pC

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Along with the outrage over the election result, there's a conspicuous lack of desire to address the root reasons for the election victory. Like the fact that one of the world's oldest democracies may have lost faith in the European institutions because democracy is something its people hold near and dear. It's a thought that is immediately banished. Instead we hear about how reckless David Cameron was in calling for a referendum. The argument, put forth in numerous versions, holds that you cannot hold a popular referendum on something as complicated as EU membership.

It's astonishing how many commentators have parroted that line, seemingly unconscious of what it says about their own understanding of democracy. What it really means is this: Elections can only be good if the results correspond with the desires of the educated. Or as Micky Beisenherz, a columnist for the German weekly Stern, put it: "Democracy is great thing. The only dumb thing about it is that stupid are allowed to participate."

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The votes had barely been counted before talk began that Europe has to establish deeper ties as an answer to the British referendum. But "deepen" is code for transferring further power to Brussels. Sigmar Gabriel, the chairman of the center-left Social Democratic Party, which shares power in Merkel's coalition government, presented a plan for a "joint growth offensive," an "economic Schengen," as he called it. It means no less than stripping governments of control of even larger parts of their budgets, only to have the financial resources that have been commandeered then redistributed where Brussels sees the need. It would take a very special relationship to reality to read in the British vote a mandate to further weaken national parliaments.

I've just found out that the place that Farage held his Brexit party is a place staffed almost exclusively with EU nationals.

EU nationals who would've almost certainly not had the right to come here under the non-EU immigration points based system we currently have in place.

In fact, I know someone working there quite personally. I think you can guess how they felt while the Leave campaign celebrations were going on.

I really do hope an exemption gets put in place for London with respect to the free movement of labour as it could literally cripple the city if people from the EU had to gain expensive and complex visas just to work here.

I want to make a new thread that asks what people believe should be included in the article 50 bill and what should be amended about it. Not sure if this already exists or if this is phrased properly now that the bill has been passed and negotiations are yet to occur. Please could someone advise me if I am using the correct bill and phrasing and if a thread on this topic/discussion already exists.

Thanks

It's a difficult question. Article 50 has been okayed, so I suppose the negotiations are going to take place between our government and the EU bureaucrats (wonderful people). I just hope we don't have to pay the awful divorce fees... And we don't know if the kids are living with Mammy or Daddy!

Very true! I guess thats what everyone hopes for! Personally I would like something that ensures/protects the future generation(like the well being of future generations act currently in place in Wales) seeing as the older generation voted for the younger generations future during the EU referendum but that is probably impossible to ensure.

Thats the problem with some Remainers (Mainly students who live on student finance, with Mum and Dad, and have never experienced what the average working class go through). They think that Brexit will ruin the lives of young people and the working class.
Little do they realise that the lives of young people and the working class have already been ruined by our membership of the European Union. It is getting more difficult to secure a job than ever before. I've been to a job agency in Birmingham which had 0 vacancies. When they do have vacancies, its kind of like a first come first serve basis. Lack of global free trade also stops our country from creating job opportunities for young men and women who have not been to Uni.

Unemployment is at a 10 year low.