I should have been more clear. It's right that they have the same rights.
The goverent should be decided by those who live here, not a select few who think they're better than the rest.

Well that's not something that can be truly justified either way, it seems rather pointless to 'debate' opinions like this since it just comes down to I like what I like and I don't like what you like, and certainly nobody is going to change theirs based on what they read here.

But feel free to continue, I just thought your original response was unusual.

Reply 124

bambamty

Original post by Aspiringlawstudent

They are jealous of the successful and desire to have everything they have but have no desire to do the work they have.

so you're claiming anyone who vates labour is a scrounger?

Reply 125

Radradrad

What I hate about Labour is that they swan about with all these ideas about how they want a small state and think the state shouldn't intervene in the lives of subjects and then once they get a tiny bit of power decide that they want to stop certain groups getting married and have the right to arbitrarily read email's and social media. Thank god we don't live in a nanny state like that anymore!

Seriously though, I vote Labour because I believe in what I see as some of their core values; non-profit and non marketised front-line services, social justice and equality and the need for progressive taxation. Although these ideas are different from the modern Labour Party so I will just moan about them whilst voting for them anyway.

Reply 126

sclez1

They're awful, just not as awful as the conservatives.

Reply 127

dragon500uk

Original post by YahRah

I beg to differ.

I've ran out of negs.

You are an idiot.

:smile:

Reply 128

sclez1

Original post by NGC773

The new system means you actually pay less over a longer period.

If you're going to make a rigorous point, don't include generalized, sweeping and often false statements like that.

Reply 129

pellejema

This thread is so so so so so so so so annoying.

So many people are showing breathtaking ignorance. As well as hatred for those less fortunate than you (might I remind you that it is not down to your hard work and virtue if you were born into a more well off family), you are making disgusting generalisations which frankly I think is really below members of a website called 'THE STUDENT ROOM'.

Labour aren't perfect. Which political party is? But the great thing about democracy is that it in theory represents the interests of the population. So stop making boring pseudo-factual statements about Labour and realise that Tory isn't exactly a great alternative. It's still seen as a party that represents the rich by a lot of people; why would you vote Conservative if it didn't represent your interests or your ideology?

In short, 'what motivates people to vote Labour' is exactly the same driving forces that motivates people to vote any political party.

Reply 130

stac4321

Original post by Joe909

Posh = Wealthy = Worked Hard = Didn't slack.

If money was a direct result of hard work, every woman in Africa would be a ****ing millionaire.

Reply 131

J.Star

The 'big 3' parties are all the same, only difference in the colour; red, blue or orange.

I highly doubt that if we had a Labour or a Lab-Lib coalition atm that the state of this country would be any different to the way it is now.

It could just be me being cynical, I dunno.

Reply 132

username878267

Original post by NGC773

>More debt
>****tier public services
>Worse NHS
>Higher taxes
>Less liberty
>More laws
>More regulation
>More immigrants
>Lower sentence times for criminals

Tory controlled County Councils:
>Better education
>Better roads
>More efficient public services
>Lower taxes

Lower taxes is not necessarily a good thing. What do you think funds local schools, hospitals, policemen, firemen? Do you think the government just magics that money out of thin air?
And more to the point the Conservatives have massively raised VAT thus increasing taxes, as did Thatcher so the argument the Conservatives lower taxes is null and void.

Why people want one class at Eton ruling the country I don't know.

And lower sentence time for criminals? You do know the Conservatives were willing to halve sentences if the accused pleaded guilty yeah. Learn your facts.

More immigrants? Nice to see so much xenophobia.

Less liberty? Oh do put down the Daily Mail.
Worse NHS? WORSE NHS? Under this government waiting times have gone up and up and all we've seen is backdoor privatization.
Better roads? Where's your proof for this?

I've never seen such a pathetic, unsupported post. Only scary thing is you're allowed to vote.

(edited 11 years ago)

Reply 133

username878267

I just don't think the wealthy snobs on here can understand that some people are less fortunate and need the help of the government. Some people ie cleaners can work incredibly hard, work twelve hours a day and get paid next to nothing. Some people need benefits to be able to afford to live. Yet the right wing media and people on here will call anyone who dares make use of the welfare state as a scrounger.

Reply 134

Barry Lyndon

I would love to see a return to the 'old-labour' that was once so strong and practiced true socialist principles, I believe new-labour has forever been tainted by Tony Blair's negative legacy being the neo-liberal economics, big brother type nanny state, simply maintaing high borrowing during the boom years and the obvious negligible war in Iraq.

In terms of being electable, Miliband is almost as hopeless as the young inexperienced posh boys ruling the coalition; having an older, wiser and experienced leader would hugely benefit Labour's image as a better alternative to the current government I reckon.

Reply 135

badbabysitter

Original post by Bornblue

Lower taxes is not necessarily a good thing. What do you think funds local schools, hospitals, policemen, firemen? Do you think the government just magics that money out of thin air?

Exactly! I don't understand how people who want lower taxes can complain about the public services we receive!!

Reply 136

Tahooper

Original post by pellejema

The Daily Mail is a tory paper.

It used to be a Tory paper, now it's more of a UKIP/Populist paper (which is a shame really, I quite like UKIP, but I despise the Daily Mail).

Reply 137

LoveyRae

Original post by billydisco

All you're doing is playing the "you don't have every single fact" card. IF it was possible to collect every single piece of information, we both know what it would portray about your average Labour supporter.

Why do you think left-wing(ism) is so reliant on the concept of community, because it has to support the weak. This is not a natural concept and nature did not intend for the weak to keep on surviving. Its like stopping lions from eating zebras because it's not fair- what would happen to the food chain then?

Whether you like it or not, life is a fight for survival.

Yes, I am 'playing that card' because otherwise there would be far more people like you in the world, who are seem to be simply inconsiderate of other people. There are plenty of people on this forum who support Labour, several of whom will fit none of the 'descriptions' you give. You are insulting them and suggesting that we should all have one political alliance, which is more in line with what dictators think. Are you seriously suggesting that one's political alliance determines one's right to life? I do not think that if we had a Labour government, the rest of the country would not survive (I'm reluctant to say die because that is such a hyperbole). Your suggestion seems to be to cast off the weaker members of community to fend for themselves, that you do not believe in the concept of community. It would be a very dangerous time if everyone were to be selfish and simply supported themselves, it would turn to anarchy. To quote Hobbes, 'the life of man [would be] solitary, poor, nasty, brutish, and short'.

Reply 138

Barry Lyndon

Original post by Bornblue

Just to add to the NHS point; in order for the Tories to gain more support they promised that they would leave the NHS completely alone! HA! What a grand lie that turned out to be!

Reply 139

LoveyRae

Original post by Joe909

Posh = Wealthy = Worked Hard = Didn't slack.

'Posh' actually is defined in Britain as being 'typical of or belonging to the upper class'. Not all 'posh' people are wealthy and not all 'non-posh' people aren't. Not all 'wealthy' people worked hard and not all 'poor' people are slackers.