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How can people think homosexuality is a choice?

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Life would be so much easier if it was a choice lol

You think the Krey twins would choose to be gay?


I thought everyone now knew that what determines ones sexuality is not 'someones mentally imbalanced mind' but how much testosterone one is exposed to in the womb.


It can hardly be nuture, and i know this as fact at first hand experience because one of my freinds was brought up by a gay couple, and he definetly likes the girls lol!

Religion is a 'mental disease'. Get the facts straight.
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Original post by Three Mile Sprint
Well Twin studies have ruled out there being an exclusive Genetic cause.

At the very best it can be something in which you have a Genetic predisposition for which is then facilitated Socially.

Middle Ground it's a purely Social phenomenon.

Worst case scenario, it's an actual choice and those claiming it's not have become self deluded.

Though I really don't think the latter is the case at all.


Yep, facilitated by society - which really means that we should protect children from the confusion of being raised around gay couples, which could cause mental harm.
Original post by DYKWIA
Yep, facilitated by society - which really means that we should protect children from the confusion of being raised around gay couples, which could cause mental harm.


You're mentally unwell... Not your fault, but your old school, bible obsessed parents fault!
Why do people have such strong views on this? It's a scientific question and it doesn't seem obvious what the answer it.

My first guess would be that people want to defend homosexuality politically. But why would it being a choice imply it should be illegal?
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Original post by LordJenkins
You're mentally unwell... Not your fault, but your old school, bible obsessed parents fault!


Leave me alone.

Also, my parents are actually liberal. They believe in gay superiority and high taxes and socialized healthcare. They believe the BS that comes out of Obama's mouth. I'm just not as naive.
Original post by DYKWIA
Leave me alone.

Also, my parents are actually liberal. They believe in gay superiority and high taxes and socialized healthcare. They believe the BS that comes out of Obama's mouth. I'm just not as naive.


it isn't so much your conservative, discriminatory opinions that piss me off so much whenever i see your posts... it's your pig headedness and conviction that you are 100% right and everyone else is either stupid, gullible, jealous or brainwashed... you are so close minded with your own opinions it's beyond belief. then when you are confonted with proper facts that disprove something you have said or are contrary to your opinions you either go off on a tangent, insult the person that posted them or just simply ignore that point and carry on with what you were saying.
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Original post by Bellissima
OMG, it isn't so much your conservative, discriminatory opinions that piss me off


And you're certain that my views are 'discriminatory'. You're doing exactly what you accuse me of doing.

it's your pig headedness and conviction that you are 100% right and everyone else is either stupid, gullible, jealous or brainwashed... you are so close minded with your own opinions it's beyond belief. then when you are confonted with proper facts that disprove something you have said or are contrary to your opinions you either go off on a tangent, insult the person that posted them or just simply ignore that point and carry on with what you were saying.


I normally am right, otherwise I'd not hold those opinions if I wasn't convinced of them.
Original post by DYKWIA
And you're certain that my views are 'discriminatory'. You're doing exactly what you accuse me of doing.



I normally am right, otherwise I'd not hold those opinions if I wasn't convinced of them.


how? you hold prejudiced views, as defined by the dictionary. you can say you don't, sure... you can also say that hitler didn't discriminate againt jews and it's just opinion that he did. that doesn't make it true.

there is a difference between holding opinions you can justify and back up and argue coherently and properly if you decide to and holding opinions that you pig headedly refuse to adapt even when you "lose" debates and are shown a lot of evidence to the contrary of your opinion and refuse to even comment on the evidence and carry on with what you were saying.
Firstly, of course it isn't a choice; but secondly -- and this is what I always find a bit strange about this line of argument -- what difference would it make if it was? Would the fact that someone chose to engage in those activities somehow make them worse? There's nothing inherently wrong in someone liking sexually a member of their own gender. I think it would be better for us to just insist upon that fact than for us to continue with the whole "it's not a choice" line; no, it's not a choice, but that's not relevant to anything.

(The bible does take rather a grim view of homosexuality, though. Of course it does so entirely without reason, but you can't escape the fact that it expresses a profound distaste for it.)

Original post by DYKWIA
Leave me alone. Also, my parents are actually liberal. They believe in gay superiority and high taxes and socialized healthcare. They believe the BS that comes out of Obama's mouth. I'm just not as naive.


"liberal" -- from the latin libertas, "of or pertaining to freedom". Just thought you could use a definition, since apparently you think "liberal" means generally everything you don't like.
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I've tried presenting sources, but you believe they are right wing nonsense. Even when I show you evidence of HIV rates in homosexuals you ignore it and babble about the rest of the world or moral this moral that. And then you go and talk about crap such as gender vs sex or moral relativism when I use one word slightly wrongly.
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Original post by TimmonaPortella
"liberal" -- from the latin libertas, "of or pertaining to freedom". Just thought you could use a definition, since apparently you think "liberal" means generally everything you don't like.


I mean left wing and they certainly don't agree with freedom. Do liberals want economic freedom? No, they want socialism and economic shackles - well, look how that works for north korea or eastern europe.

Original post by Bellissima
how? you hold prejudiced views, as defined by the dictionary. you can say you don't, sure... you can also say that hitler didn't discriminate againt jews and it's just opinion that he did. that doesn't make it true.

there is a difference between holding opinions you can justify and back up and argue coherently and properly if you decide to and holding opinions that you pig headedly refuse to adapt even when you "lose" debates and are shown a lot of evidence to the contrary of your opinion and refuse to even comment on the evidence and carry on with what you were saying.


No, people just try and present biased 'facts' about such topics as homosexuality when the reality is we know very little.
Original post by DYKWIA
I mean left wing and they certainly don't agree with freedom. Do liberals want economic freedom? No, they want socialism and economic shackles - well, look how that works for north korea or eastern europe.


No, "liberals" as you define them don't want (economic, at least) freedom. That's exactly what I'm pointing out; your definition of "liberal" is faulty.

This is obviously not central to the debate here, but if I'm going to point it out I may as well explain myself.
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how did i know when i clicked on this thread i'd find you bashing gays ...
i saw earlier on in the thread though you think being queer can be 'cured' with therapy? how may i ask..?
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Original post by TimmonaPortella
No, "liberals" as you define them don't want (economic, at least) freedom. That's exactly what I'm pointing out; your definition of "liberal" is faulty.

This is obviously not central to the debate here, but if I'm going to point it out I may as well explain myself.


I didn't make up the term. Would you rather I went back to calling them libtarded moonbats instead? TBH, I don't understand why the republicans' color is red, which is generally associated with socialism and yet they represent the party that pushes for more freedom.
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Original post by cl_steele
how did i know when i clicked on this thread i'd find you bashing gays ...
i saw earlier on in the thread though you think being queer can be 'cured' with therapy? how may i ask..?


I don't know if the cures work on all gay people, but I think with therapy, a willing person and time a person can change their sexuality. You always hear about people who decided to be gay later in life.





In the US HIV rates of homosexuals are a serious issue. As for why it is important, it is the health of the gays that I'm worried about as well as the expensive costs of treating their illness. HIV is an expensive disease.

Well... I kind of study ethics... Not only that, you're being a morally indecent person, so I'll call you out on it.

You have no reason to deny homosexuals rights, and in so doing, you're a morally indecent person. Sorry, but unless moral nihilism is true, that's a fact. Just in case you didn't know, moral nihilism is a metaethical view that's highly unlikely to be true.


I don't like you saying that. I don't think I'm morally 'indecent'. I feel I am doing the right thing.

Firstly, sex isn't gender. For claiming to be intelligent, you should know how to properly use words.


Yeah, okay, but in most cases the two are interchangeable.

In fact, your beliefs are simply that rights are relative and anyone can do almost anything they want. Which of course, makes no sense, because, if your beliefs are true (i.e. you believe rights are relative) you have no business telling me homosexuals don't deserve rights. Your belief system actually says that I'm allowed to do what I want and you have to accept it. Based on your own arguments and belief system, you have absolutely no business telling homosexuals they are inferior, undeserving of equal rights, so on and so forth.

Either you believe rights or relative, or you don't. Since you do, you cannot comment on homosexuality or homosexual marriages, as you don't believe that everyone does or ought to have the same rights and that their entitled to their own moral opinions. In which case, get your thoughts out of these threads, as your own belief system dictates that your own opinions are utterly useless.

Check mate. :colondollar:

Or... I believe that I'm in the moral right and that you are in the wrong, but that I accept you have a different opinion.

So, no - not check mate pal.
Original post by DYKWIA
I don't know if the cures work on all gay people, but I think with therapy, a willing person and time a person can change their sexuality. You always hear about people who decided to be gay later in life.


interesting perspective i'll give you that.
whats your view on corrective rape then?
Here what happens when you put a gay rockstar on stage. Freddie with 75,000 people in the palm of his hand, gay and straight.


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Original post by cl_steele
interesting perspective i'll give you that.
whats your view on corrective rape then?


They're not willing in that case, since rape kinda by definition requires the person being raped to not have given permission.
Original post by DYKWIA
They're not willing in that case, since rape kinda by definition requires the person being raped to not have given permission.


well thank you for stating the obvious? i was asking for your general view on it, unrelated to my last point
Ive watched documentries about guys like this. Usually they suffer from a type of schizophrenia. Totaly irrational and deluded. There are camps run in the US by guys like DKWIA which parents send their gay children too. Can you imagine it? The horror stories.

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