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That is an outdated chart from an unreliable source. Here is one from the IMF ! As a percentage of the world GDP - it is falling.

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Original post by DoctorDC
That is an outdated chart from an unreliable source. Here is one from the IMF ! As a percentage of the world GDP - it is falling.

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My source "In nominal U.S. dollar terms, the European Union (plus Norway, Switzerland, Iceland) accounted for 25.4% of world output in 2014 according to data from the International Monetary Fund. That was greater than America’s share (22.5%) and well in excess of China’s—13.4%,"

And isn't the IMF also calling for UK to Remain? Oh, why yes indeed they are.

http://www.imf.org/external/pubs/ft/survey/so/2016/car061716a.htm
Dated: 17 Jun 2016 - is that recent enough for you?
And a report from the Financial Times on the PMI index in May this year. Note the rise in quantitative easing - and rise in that area is a sign of an economic downturn.



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The purchasing managers’ index, which is compiled by Markit, the data provider and used by officials across the region to monitor the direction of economic activity, dipped to a 16-month low of 52.9 in May down from 53 in April.
While PMI remains above the 50 level that marks an expansion in activity, the downward trend raises doubts about the strength of the recovery in the 19-member single currency area.

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The data are based on surveys of variables such as output, new orders and employment at thousands of companies and shows new business growth at its lowest level since the beginning of last year.The figures contrast with relatively strong recent performances by France and Germany, the eurozone’s two biggest economies, and may indicate diverging fortunes between the region’s core and peripheral economies such as Italy, Spain and Greece.
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He added: “The survey therefore paints a picture of a region stuck in a low-growth phase, managing to eke out frustratingly modest output and employment gains despite various European Central Bank stimulus ‘bazookas’, a competitive exchange rate and households benefiting from falling prices.”The ECB cut rates to a record low in March and expanded its bond-buying programme, dubbed quantitative easing, by €20bn a month to €80bn.
Original post by DoctorDC
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You might want to edit your copy & paste :wink:

Oh and is this the same FT that, er, supports Remain?
And The Economist too while we're about it.

But then again of course you must know better.
And another FT article showing that deflation in the Eurozone is at a low :

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^ don't think you really understand Economics :lol:
Original post by DoctorDC
And another FT article showing that deflation in the Eurozone is at a low :

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Great. If it's at a low that means it's on the way back up. Yippee!
Credits go to TSR member: Audrey18


If UK leaves the EU, EU will collapse. Cos UK is essentially financing the entire EU with the strong £ against the failed €. Do you recall the George Osbourne tax rebate fiasco from 2 years ago? EU slapped a £1.7 billion on UK but Cameron vowed that he would not pay it. What happened in the end? UK still paid up and did so quietly.
http://www.bbc.com/news/business-29751124
http://www.euractiv.com/section/uk-e...u-budget-bill/
http://www.euractiv.com/section/uk-e...n-budget-bill/
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/...ember-deadline
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...happening.html

Yesterday, the German finance minister said he would cry if UK voted Brexit. Of course he would! Cos UK is the one funding the EU and Germany gets to dictate who gets the money and what to do with it.
http://www.express.co.uk/news/politi...-EU-referendum
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...718_story.html
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/bu...-a6909616.html

Please understand that Germany controls the EU and dictates to the other member states when to stand up and when to sit down. France is her close ally despite their colourful history.

If UK leaves, then the other poorer member states would want to follow suit. Do you recall last year when EU forced Greece to accept a humongous financial bailout which EU knew Greece would never be able to repay back cos the interests were just too high? and the greek banks allowed its citizens to withdraw only €120 per week? When this news first broke out in Greece, its citizens queued up outside the bank to withdraw their monies but the banks were shut. Do you recall this man who cried outside the bank and this image went viral?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...ing-man-banks/



If UK leaves then many EU citizens working in the UK and living off benefits will have to return back to their home countries. These EU citizens based in UK, don't want this to happen because UK is the only country in EU that offers such amazing benefits.

Many of the lecturers in the UK unis are also against Brexit because if UK pulls out of it then these lecturers will have to return back to their home countries and re-apply via a work permit system. So far nothing unusual? The catch here is that these lecturers of EU origin will have to compete for lecturing jobs with equally abled or far better lecturers from New Zealand, Canada, Australia, India, Hong Kong and Singapore. This is the reason why many lecturers have been writing articles and blogs online to plead with UK citizens to vote in their favour. How selfish!

If you have studied politics at A-level or at uni, depending on who your lecturer is and which textbook you're reading, you will know that ever since UK joined the EU, she has given away her sovereignty to the unelected bureaucrats in Brussels and Luxembourg. I can't help but wonder why UK still needs a Supreme Court when its no longer supreme and a British parliament when it's no longer sovereign?

Do you know that millions of British soldiers have died in several wars over the centuries to protect Queen and country? But Tony Blair let these millions of soldier died in vain because when he was in power for 10 years or so as the Prime Minister of UK, he allowed virtually everyone to enter the UK

without checking if they are holding genuine passports

without checking if they have links to terrorist groups

without checking if they have criminal records in their home countries

without checking if they have genuine educational qualifications or a trade skill

without checking if they have HIV/AIDS

Someone recently asked me why should people wanting to enter into another country, be checked for HIV/AIDS? This is because the government owes a duty to its citizens to protect them from people who may want to infect others with their communicable diseases. This is an extension of a 'social contract theory'. Read up on it if you have time. Educate yourself.


I'm German. As you know, many migrant men raped, molested and sexually abused many women in my country since New Year's Day.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-35231046
http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/...ks-list-crimes
http://www.news.com.au/finance/econo...d65045e65e141d

This is the list of sex crimes against German women in one night. I hope you have a strong stomach for this.
http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016...-sex-assaults/

You only have to see what the German police commissioner said on national TV to understand the true extent of the migrant crisis. Mind you, the higher command in Germany gave him a piece of their mind following the telecast of this interview. Watch it to believe it.



I hope all of you reading my post, bears this in mind. A country's sovereignty, security and safety of its citizens is so important. With Merkel's blunder, we have become a carbon copy of UK & the rest of EU and their set of problems.

Merkel has been in hiding for many months now. She's pushing 62 years of age. She won't throw in the towel just yet. If UK decides to remain in the EU, I am certain they will make EU into a united states of Europe and she would be the major contender for the post of PM of the USE. Tony Blair has quietened down way too much to be able to stake a claim for that coveted position.

Merkel studied physics and then chemistry. She has no knowledge and understanding about politics, law, finance and sociology. She tells the German public one thing and tells the EU another thing and then tells the world another thing. Sometime back she said that refugees must now return back to their countries of origin after the wars back home have ended.
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-eu...-idUSKCN0V80IH

With Turkey's inclusion into the EU imminent, there will be 77 million Turks who will get to make their debut appearance in any of the EU member states. They will not go to France because France has zero tolerance towards Muslims. They will continue to come to Germany or go to the UK where the borders are invincible and where the border agents have zero powers to turn people away.

And if you go onto the Oxbridge threads on this forum and some of the other top UK unis, you will see a growing number of EU students who simply want UK to stay in the EU so that they can apply for student loans because without it they will not be able to study in these top unis. Their main priority is to get the funding and get a place at these tops unis.

So you must be wondering whats wrong with that? Well, a growing number of EU students simply take these loans, one after another and then disappear after they've completed their studies without repaying the loans and the British government has to write off these debts. It's been reported several times and it's about time UK puts her foot down.
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/672...g-tuition-fees
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education...ing-loans.html
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education...pay-debts.html

The money you send to EU can be used to invest in your NHS, build more hospitals, recruit more police officers, increase their salaries which should apply to teachers and junior doctors too, give incentives (funding, tax breaks) to British citizens to start their own businesses (entrepreneurship) and so much more.

Lastly, and I could be wrong but my observations tell me that several people on this forum who oppose Brexit are from two camps. The first comprises of first generation British citizens whose parents immigrated to UK which is why they feel as though people are trying to marginalize their parents when they vocally support Brexit. The second are people who were born abroad and immigrated to UK at a young age with their parents in tow and similarly feeling being discriminated against when people support Brexit.

In both instances these people are wrong. As a result of their personal bias (which is understandable), they are unable to see what Brexit actually means. So it doesn't matter how many of these threads are created, how many different ways the thread title is hashed and rehashed and/or how many more good points substantiated with hard evidence is provided, these people will never alter their position.

The only way we can move forward is when people remove the wool from their eyes, put their personal agendas aside and see the referendum for what it actually is. Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union? and for the reasons I've stated, the answer is obvious. Need I elaborate more?

Vote Leave!

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Original post by Naveed-7
I'm German


Willkommen.
France and Germany are looking at leaving the EU also, these two and the U.K. are the biggest and strongest members of the EU. The EU need two strong countries in the EU to continue to be a large power that can help defend our part of the world if ISIS were to make an attack or if the US were to start a war, as well as the money aspect also. So if the UK were to leave the EU would make an example out of us to stop France and Germany from leaving, Russia keeps trying to attack us, we wouldn't receive any help from them if we left (even if we begged) just as a deterrent.

The NHS will be in trouble. A health care service that has been voted the best in the world. A health care service that the right winged government (who wish to privatise our health) are taking money away from each year to convince people that it is not any good because they cannot afford to help people like they could five years ago. With this in trouble there will also be human rights and workers rights in trouble, who knows what will happen to it when we leave the EU, people are already being worked close to death.

For most companies it's beneficial to stay, for example, the North East of England possesses the best Nissan factory in Europe (possibly the world) it builds the Juke and all of the other top of the line Nissan cars, if we leave the EU these companies will loose a lot of money because trading will the the EU will not be as good as it currently is and the U.K. Nissan will no longer be given the top of the line cars to build.

The governor of the Bank of England is voting remain, as is Fiscal and other monetary companies, if the man who runs the country's money is voting remain then that tells you what the best option is (considering money controls the entire world).

Unity is the way the world is going, anyone who does not believe that is ignorant. We will have off-Earth colonies because of over-population and just general interest to expand our reach into the universe and the world will need to be completely unionised in order to accommodate all of these changes. It definitely won't be any time soon, but we will be unionised. I feel that the UK will always be remembered for leaving the EU if we decide to do that today and it will affect us in the future when we do have worldwide unionisation
Original post by Queen Cersei
A poll of 1,100 TSRians back in autumn showed that the majority of you want to remain in the EU: http://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/showthread.php?t=3621353

Does that still ring true?

How are you going to vote? Tick your choice in the poll!


I’ve made a petition will you sign it?Click this link to sign the petition:https://petition.parliament.uk/petit...mRJjPGXFd6IGBcMy petition:'individual' EU membership for UK citizens Visa free, work and study.There is a need for people, especially the young, to be able to move freely for travel and broaden their horizons, education, employment.The recent referendum was a protest about the country not providing the infrastructure and services for it's people before opening the doors to others. The referendum was advisory and not legally binding, and no one, not even the leave party expected the outcome. Individual membership will provide an imcome to the EU, allow free movement without additional paperwork and checks. It is not for large groups to abuse a country's system, but to build friendships and bridges. References available
I’ve made a petition will you sign it?

Click this link to sign the petition:
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/146588/sponsors/JcHmmRJjPGXFd6IGBc

My petition:

'individual' EU membership for UK citizens Visa free, work and study.

There is a need for people, especially the young, to be able to move freely for travel and broaden their horizons, education, employment.

The recent referendum was a protest about the country not providing the infrastructure and services for it's people before opening the doors to others. The referendum was advisory and not legally binding, and no one, not even the leave party expected the outcome. Individual membership will provide an imcome to the EU, allow free movement without additional paperwork and checks. This is not intended for large groups to abuse a country's system, but to build friendships and bridges.
Click this link to sign the petition:

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/146588/sponsors/JcHmmRJjPGXFd6IGBc

My petition:

'individual' EU membership for UK citizens. Visa free, work and study.

£4:50 week dues payable to EU.
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I’ve made a petition


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I’ve made a petition


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Click this link to sign the petition:


Please don't keep re-posting the same thing.
Original post by DoctorDC
as predictions are inaccurate - judge it on the clear known facts.



There is your error. I can predict that If I cut my arm off it'll hurt. I don't need to actually do it in order to find out.

People voted remain are educated enough to know the obvious repercussions of leaving the EU. (funnily enough, Michael Gove told the public to ignore experts on the matter. Sums up leaver mentality tbh. http://www.theguardian.com/politics/blog/2016/jun/08/experts-eu-referendum-michael-gove )

However the majority of leavers are ill-informed and xenophobic. There's a few it's actually possible to debate with but they're in the vast minority.

It was no surprise to me when I found out the colossal difference in polling when only asking members of the public with degrees whether they were leaving or voting. Of course remain won by a landslide. It's even evident on this site. It makes complete sense that someone even remotely interested in education or debates would be more likely to make an account here. And as a result, look how much popular the remain vote is here than it is compared to the rest of England.

But as soon as the rest of the public comes into it and you have people actually believing things like £350mil to the NHS, we all know what happened. I'm pretty sure everyone on here knew that was bs immidiately. Even the people voting leave.

Now we've voted ourselves into future recession. The people who voted leave will have more to worry about than "dirty immigrants".

Cue Boris taking charge in october and Scotland eventually leaving the UK and taking their oil with them. Followed by N.Ireland rejoining ireland and a worse recession than 2008.

Good going lads.
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Hilarious that 64% is also the number of 18-24 year olds who didn't bother voting :lol:
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Brexiteers need to rally to expedite Article 50.

Don't put up with the delay tactics.
Original post by macromicro
It's scary how close this referendum is going to be due to short-sighted simpletons who wear Union Jack underwear and think we need to close the borders.

It would be a massive step back in the progression we've made and would have to be reversed at some point in the future. The entire world is going to be one large union eventually - we need to all get used to that fact and help achieve it.


Simpletons? Name 20 of the people in charge of the EU who get paid ten times more than our own Prime Minister. Who dictate to us what to do. Russia, Norway and USA have already said they will trade with us once we officially leave the EU. We will have more control of our borders from those who wish to take advantage of our welfare systems.
Jobs will go up as we'll need more people to work on border force. The NHS and Education system will get the money we would send to the EU. Many say the leave camp should of had a plan for if we leave, but the remain campaigners should of been prepared for if we all decided to leave.
Original post by Skittles6.9
Who dictate to us what to do.


What? EU law is passed or rejected by EU Parliament, which British MEPs (who you vote for) make up 10% of. Nobody's been dictating anything.

Russia, Norway and USA have already said they will trade with us once we officially leave the EU.


Actually, the US confirmed after the Brexit vote that we will be lower priority for a trade deal. They're already negotiating a big trade deal with the EU, so we'll have to wait for that to get sorted out at least.

We will have more control of our borders from those who wish to take advantage of our welfare systems.


Nobody's taking advantage of our welfare systems though. EU immigrants are 40% less likely to claim welfare than British people, and make a net contribution to our economy of 30%. The only people taking advantage are British natives.

Jobs will go up as we'll need more people to work on border force.


What do you plan to pay them with?

The NHS and Education system will get the money we would send to the EU.


Oh dear, you haven't been keeping up have you? Farage admitted the morning after the EU that a) the figure for how much we give to the EU was a lie and b) it's probably not going to the NHS or the education system.

But none of that matters, because we aren't actually saving any money. The pound is at its lowest in 3-4 decades, businesses are stopping hiring (some even making redundancies), the value of British business are plummeting before we've even left, and financial technology - the UK's only industry of any significance - can't survive outside of the EU.

Many say the leave camp should of had a plan for if we leave, but the remain campaigners should of been prepared for if we all decided to leave.


Nope. You make a mess, you clean it up. If you wanted a plan in place, maybe you should have considered whether there was one before voting.
Original post by Skittles6.9
Simpletons? Name 20 of the people in charge of the EU who get paid ten times more than our own Prime Minister. Who dictate to us what to do. Russia, Norway and USA have already said they will trade with us once we officially leave the EU. We will have more control of our borders from those who wish to take advantage of our welfare systems.
Jobs will go up as we'll need more people to work on border force. The NHS and Education system will get the money we would send to the EU. Many say the leave camp should of had a plan for if we leave, but the remain campaigners should of been prepared for if we all decided to leave.


Yes,remain should have prepared to,protect their country, but they never cared about their country, since eu wealth never tricked down to the masses. Rules and regulations are fine if you profit somehow, but more didn't and have nothing to lose.
No deals can even be considered util the end of the two year period and most us co lanes deal with the U.K. because it is gateway to Europe.

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