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Reply 20
It is utterly abhorrent and such a disgusting thing to do. I don't know how anyone in the right mind would think it OK to be involved in such a thing.
Original post by internet tough guy
I thought there was already a thread on this


There was, but the mods deleted it, as they probably will this one when people turn up blaming the victims and deflecting like mad.

There were some seriously disgusting people on that thread who said that the girls were also to blame, and they wanted the sex, the drugs and the alcohol.

How low can you get, blaming the victims? What is even more disgusting is that TSR has a certain demographic that identifies with the point of view of those on trial.
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Reply 22
Original post by Zeffy
I remember when the patriots of the NWI/EDL held a demo outside the courts over the media blackout on this disgusting case, guess who made an appearance to show SUPPORT for the Paedofiles.

Yup, that's right, United Against Fascism.

Paedo scumbags. No surprise at all that they're Muslim and Rochdale isn't the only place it's happening.

Derby - A Muslim paedo gang was arrested
Carlisle - A Muslim Paedo gang was arrested
Oldham - A Muslim Paedo gang was arrested
Blackpool - A Muslim paedo gang who preyed on over 60 girls was arrested


All the victims were white. Now, these are just the arrests, how many Muslim paedofile scumbags are getting away with grooming underage girls for sex and in how many towns and cities?

Thank god for the EDL, CFC, NF and the NWI. The true defenders of Britain and the only ones taking a stand against the Muslim paedofiles blighting our towns.


I actually wrote you a small paragraph and was about to submit it, but on second thought you have got to be a troll.
Original post by mel0n
It is utterly abhorrent and such a disgusting thing to do. I don't know how anyone in the right mind would think it OK to be involved in such a thing.


The thing is though, a lot of people are not in their right minds. That's why aside from the law, there need to be constant mention/condemnation/discussions of these sorts within communities, especially in ones which tend to be a bit insular and segregated.
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Reply 24
Original post by localfox1000
The thing is though, a lot of people are not in their right minds. That's why aside from the law, there need to be constant mention/condemnation/discussions of these sorts within communities, especially since ones which tend to be a bit insular and segregated.


It definitely does need to be discussed more within the community. I think within a community like Rochdale - where there is a large Asian community - the matter needs to be dealt with by other Asians who are more educated and clued up on the matter. A lot of people have a mentality there where I feel that they would be more likely to listen to such a person. Or at least a mixture of different demographics, which would perhaps be a better alternative and would allow the Asians to see the 'wider picture' (though I'm sure this could be done either way).

The whole "brushing under the carpet" thing that they do needs to go as well and they need to realise, a lot of them (not all), that matters like this are better dealt with and more important to deal with than their "reputation" getting tarnished by it being out in the open.
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Original post by mel0n
It definitely does need to be discussed more within the community. I think within a community like Rochdale - where there is a large Asian community - the matter needs to be dealt with by other Asians who are more educated and clued up on the matter. A lot of people have a mentality there where I feel that they would be more likely to listen to such a person. The whole "brushing under the carpet" thing that they do needs to go as well and they need to realise, a lot of them (not all), that matters like this are better dealt with and more important to deal with than their "reputation" getting tarnished by it being out in the open.


EDIT: Oops, read the last sentence wrong!

I agree.
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Original post by marcusfox
There was, but the mods deleted it, as they probably will this one when people turn up blaming the victims and deflecting like mad.

There were some seriously disgusting people on that thread who said that the girls were also to blame, and they wanted the sex, the drugs and the alcohol.

How low can you get, blaming the victims? What is even more disgusting is that TSR has a certain demographic that identifies with the point of view of those on trial.


I think it was closed due to the racial/bigotted slurs that people were comming out with.

Not because some people rightfully said that both the men and the girls were responsible. The girls because;

They were teenagers, getting into the cars of unknown men. What did they think the men were after? The media always portrays them as "vunerable". Usually they are streetwise little (insert the S word) after alcohol, money or drugs and when dumped, then it's "I didn't know what they were after. I thought they wanted to be my friend."

And the men for doing what they did.

Learn to be objective than a narrow minded hate monger.
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Reply 27
Original post by localfox1000
I absolutely agree. If there is one thing that will get people engaging their culture, it is that they want to maintain/improve the reputation of their community.


I think that may be why this is a somewhat paradoxical situation for them, even though it shouldn't necessarily be so. I guess it needs to be highlighted to them that short-term loss in terms of reputation is indeed a good compromise for a long term improvement of reputation (which would be earned even by their mere cooperation). Asians are quite big on reputation and I guess a lot of them are just focusing on the immediate effects of exposing such grooming would have on the Asian community's reputation than the long term positive effects it would have by essentially cleansing the community of such dirt.

I seem to be focusing a lot on the issue of reputation and how they will be perceived by others here but I sincerely think that is one of the main, if not the main, reason why they brush things like this under the carpet and choose to "ignore" it.
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Reply 28
Original post by Perseveranze

I think it was closed due to the racial/bigotted slurs that people were comming out with.

Not because some people rightfully said that both the men and the girls were responsible. The girls because;

They were teenagers, getting into the cars of unknown men. What did they think the men were after? The media always portrays them as "vunerable". Usually they are streetwise little (insert the S word) after alcohol, money or drugs and when dumped, then it's "I didn't know what they were after. I thought they wanted to be my friend."

And the men for doing what they did.

Learn to be objective than a narrow minded hate monger.


I think this raises a lot of questions about the standards of education within the area to be fair and shows that more needs to educate the teenagers on what is right and wrong. I'm not sure if I would put this down to a matter of common sense or not - for someone like me who would think it stupid to ever get into the car of an unknown man it definitely seems like common sense and on that level I think the girls were pretty stupid.

At the same time I do agree that the men were wrong for doing what they were doing. I don't think the blame should be shifted from one to another as such though - don't you think that because the men were older they should have more sense to some extent? Both the men and the girls seem pretty much morally devoid but I don't think that detracts from my disgust at the men's actions.
Original post by Perseveranze
I think it was closed due to the racial/bigotted slurs that people were comming out with.

Not because some people rightfully said that both the men and the girls were responsible. The girls because;

They were teenagers, getting into the cars of unknown men. What did they think the men were after? The media always portrays them as "vunerable". Usually they are streetwise little (insert the S word) after alcohol, money or drugs and when dumped, then it's "I didn't know what they were after. I thought they wanted to be my friend."

And the men for doing what they did.

Learn to be objective than a narrow minded hate monger.


There's irony there somewhere I'm sure, I just can't put my finger on it...
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Disgusting beasts, but what I want to know is why always white girls, can they not get other Muslim girls? Why are they doing this when their faith says it's wrong are they being exiled by other Muslim people?
Original post by mel0n
I think that may be why this is a somewhat paradoxical situation for them, even though it shouldn't necessarily be so. I guess it needs to be highlighted to them that short-term loss in terms of reputation is indeed a good compromise for a long term improvement of reputation (which would be earned even by their mere cooperation). Asians are quite big on reputation and I guess a lot of them are just focusing on the immediate effects of exposing such grooming would have on the Asian community's reputation than the long term positive effects it would have by essentially cleansing the community of such dirt.

I seem to be focusing a lot on the issue of reputation and how they will be perceived by others here but I sincerely think that is one of the main, if not the main, reason why they brush things like this under the carpet and choose to "ignore" it.


Yeah, it's sad, and almost a bit cowardly. Makes me feel that maybe I should become more involved n the community.
Reply 32
Original post by Casshern1456
Disgusting beasts, but what I want to know is why always white girls, can they not get other Muslim girls? Why are they doing this when their faith says it's wrong are they being exiled by other Muslim people?


Why are you conflating the two?!?! And I guess the answer to your second question would be that the religion doesn't play a significance in all aspects of their lives unfortunately. It is an extremely unislamic think to do and if they were sincerely religious they wouldn't commit such acts for fear of God. Forget for fear of God, for the love of God even.
Reply 33
Original post by localfox1000
Yeah, it's sad, and almost a bit cowardly. Makes me feel that maybe I should become more involved n the community.


Are you from Rochdale :indiff:?
Original post by mel0n
Are you from Rochdale :indiff:?


No. I was just making a general point.
Original post by Perseveranze
The girls because;

They were teenagers, getting into the cars of unknown men. What did they think the men were after? The media always portrays them as "vunerable". Usually they are streetwise little (insert the S word) after alcohol, money or drugs and when dumped, then it's "I didn't know what they were after. I thought they wanted to be my friend."


Don't try and use the "What did they think the men were after?" line. These were not fully self-aware women. These were under age girls. Some as young as 13. No matter how street smart you think they were, or they thought they were, the simple fact is that most likely they had not developed a sense of morality, comparable to that of an adult because they had so little life experience. T they were vulnerable. The law states that a person below 16 is not competent enough to give consent for sex.

The men are entirely at fault as they were the only ones who were fully competent.
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Original post by Perseveranze
I think it was closed due to the racial/bigotted slurs that people were comming out with.

Not because some people rightfully said that both the men and the girls were responsible. The girls because;

They were teenagers, getting into the cars of unknown men. What did they think the men were after? The media always portrays them as "vunerable". Usually they are streetwise little (insert the S word) after alcohol, money or drugs and when dumped, then it's "I didn't know what they were after. I thought they wanted to be my friend."

And the men for doing what they did.

Learn to be objective than a narrow minded hate monger.


This is textbook victim-blaming and you should be ashamed.
Original post by Ray Bradbury
"Mohammed Shafiq, chief executive of of the Ramadhan Foundation accused Pakistani community elders of "burying their heads in the sand" on the issue of on-street grooming.

"There is a significant problem for the British Pakistani community," he said.

"There should be no silence in addressing the issue of race as this is central to the actions of these criminals.

"They think that white teenage girls are worthless and can be abused without a second thought; it is this sort of behaviour that is bringing shame on our community."

Shafiq has nothing to hide. He regularly faces death threats for speaking out on this issue, so I know whos word I'll be taking on wether it is racist or not.


And this is the crux of it. It has been said by many a person (though rarely in the media) that many Asians (especially freshies) have a severe lack of respect for Western society its people and its values. Ime the people who have said this to me are Asian but native to britain. This is shown in this case, white women are easy and undeserving of respect or decency. Treat them how we like. how many of these men had wives and children around the same age as the girls they abused. If the girls had come from the same ethnic community would they have been abused.

Or is it that we have acknoweldge that whilst its not pretty or PC - its not just whites who can be racist. That maybe just maybe - this gang committed this act in part becasue its better to do it to a westerner than one of thier own.

My partner dated a man fresh of the boats for years, he treated her terribly, he abused her, destroyed her self worth, tried to isolate her from her family and friends, tried to make her into a little follower of his culture (gods forbid he changed to hers) and we are all fairly sure that back home he had a wife and kids (he showed many of the classic signs) and justliked having a white woman to warm his bed.
Original post by Perseveranze
My first instinct is to equivocate and implicitly defend these monsters, because they are Asian/Muslim and so am I.


Can you explain why these paedo rape gangs are comprised almost exclusively of Pakistanis and Bangladeshi's?

According to Manchester Police, it's not a race/culture issue:

Chief Constable Steve Heywood denied that it was about race. He said: "It is not a racial issue. This is about adults preying on vulnerable young children. It just happens that in this particular area and time the demographics were that these were Asian men."


Right, are we seriously expected to believe that utter bull**** lie?

Spokesman for the Asian community do not believe it:

Mohammed Shafiq, chief executive of the Ramadhan Foundation, says: "There is a significant problem for the British Pakistani community, there is an over-representation amongst recent convictions in the crime of on-street grooming, there should be no silence in addressing the issue of race as this is central to the actions of these criminals."
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Reply 39
Can you also explain why the vast majority of black males go after white girls?
Why there are many African dictators married to white women?
Why there are many Arab leaders married to white women?

Got to any porn site and the vast majority of women are white.

20 years ago it was black males, now its pakistani and more specifically muslim.
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