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Made in the USA
Well for 20 years, he attended a church with a pastor who was pretty much a black klansman, so I think it's very likely that Obama is a racist. Anyway, calling US presidents racist is nothing new. Kanye West publicly called President George W. Bush a racist after the events during and after Hurricane Katrina.


Kanye West and Glenn Beck aren't exactly in comparable positions of influence. And besides, Kanye was intensely ridiculed for that statement too.

Do you actually have any evidence of Obama's racism beyond some stuff his pastor said?

Coral_10

Meh, it is Fox at the end of the day...


The guy you are responding to literally believes Fox news is no more biased than the BBC.
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The guy you are responding to literally believes Fox news is no more biased than the BBC.




It isn't? :confused:
lmao
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You only have to look at the recent criticism of the NHS and the way it was handled by the BBC to see the obvious bias there. Or how about the other day when Ted Kennedy passed away, everything was very solemn at the BBC in respect for this giant of the left. Neglecting to mention his support for IRA terrorists and murderers. The BBC eulogy was sprinkled with the word "liberal" although still pretending that Kennedy was admired "by all". He was not.
Find me the left-wing BBC equivalent of Beck or O'Reilly. Find me the BBC equivalent of the "9/12 project".
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You are comparing two extremely different broadcast styles. It may be more subtle but the bias at the BBC is there and obvious if you look hard enough.

We don't have a tradition of polemic commentators in British television, otherwise where are our Stewarts and Olbermans?
Fox News is extremely right-wing - that much is undeniable. In order for the BBC's left-wing bias (the existence of which I never denied, I might add) to be on the same level as Fox's right-wing bias, it'd have to be boarder-line communist. Your examples of the BBC supporting the NHS or choosing to write a tasteful eulogy for Ted Kennedy do not even begin to approach this. The 'subtle bias' you speak of is, in reality, a moderate bias. The fact that you have to look hard for it in the first place says enough. You are absolutely correct in saying their broadcast styles are very different - but it just so happens that one of these styles is more impartial than the other.
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Fox News is extremely right-wing - that much is undeniable. In order for the BBC's left-wing bias (the existence of which I never denied, I might add) to be on the same level as Fox's right-wing bias, it'd have to be boarder-line communist. Your examples of the BBC supporting the NHS or choosing to write a tasteful eulogy for Ted Kennedy do not even begin to approach this. The 'subtle bias' you speak of is, in reality, a moderate bias. The fact that you have to look hard for it in the first place says enough. You are absolutely correct in saying their broadcast styles are very different - but it just so happens that one of these styles is more impartial than the other.



Ok then lets compare them on level playing fields and ignore Fox news's many Polemic commentators for a minute. I don't see much of a difference between the subtle/not so subtle news reporting of Fox and the BBC.

Plus, lets not forget that American media does things loudly and in the extreme. Bill Oreilly and Glenn Beck are no worse than the thinly veiled communist Keith Olberman.
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Ok then lets compare them on level playing fields and ignore Fox news's many Polemic commentators for a minute. I don't see much of a difference between the subtle/not so subtle news reporting of Fox and the BBC.


But why would we ignore them? Where's the sense in that? It doesn't change the fact that they are there, on a news channel, spouting their gibberish. What you've basically said here is "sure, the BBC and Fox News are as biased as each other... But only if you choose to conveniently ignore one of the most significant features of the latter".

Plus, lets not forget that American media does things loudly and in the extreme. Bill Oreilly and Glenn Beck are no worse than the thinly veiled communist Keith Olberman.


And I'm sure you have a nice collection of links to back up this statement...?
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And I'm sure you have a nice collection of links to back up this statement...?


How about the complete bias, many lies and total misinterpretation about what happened in Chile shown in this link. Along with his approval of Naomi Kleins "Shock Theory" rubbish.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qwt2HulqmPI

Even Bill Maher unwittingly points out Olbermans extremism.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nKbIiX_bmVA

He even blatantly uses Oreilly and Beck mudslinging tactics as you can see in this link.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QkCoNaCBn54
Saff123
Ratings and sensationalism is precisely the problem. Whether it's Olberman, O'Reilley, unhinged Beck, Fox and CNN with their "sexy babes" it amounts to the same rubbish. When was it that as a nation we decided not to engage in political discourse and inform the public, and instead resort to preaching superficial polemics to the converted?

Living in England watching Paxman, Dimbleby and female anchors like Kirsty Walk, whatever their faults makes me green with envy and terribly depressed.:frown:


If your not entertained by Olberman, Maddow, Beck, etc. and you want to watch a news analysis show that is a little less opinionated, there is no need to be jealous of stuff on the other side of the pond. What do you think of Anderson Cooper? He seems pretty fair to me....
Coral_10

Well, the difference is that this emotional wreck has his own show, probably quite respected by people like yourself as well. Kanye is a bit of a fruitcake as well, no? That's why the guy doesn't have a show on a mainstream network.

Meh, it is Fox at the end of the day...


What is it with this obsession with Fox with so many people on TSR? Are you all forgetting that MSNBC has just as many, if not more unhinged political commentators? Or is it different when the pundit is left wing?
Captain Haddock
Kanye West and Glenn Beck aren't exactly in comparable positions of influence. And besides, Kanye was intensely ridiculed for that statement too.

Do you actually have any evidence of Obama's racism beyond some stuff his pastor said?


In "Dreams from My Father" Obama wrote: "I found a solace in nursing a pervasive sense of grievance and animosity against my mother's race."

From Dreams of My Father: "I ceased to advertise my mother's race at the age of 12 or 13, when I began to suspect that by doing so I was ingratiating myself to whites."

When he read Malcom X's book, one line in the book really spoke to him and stayed with him: "He spoke of a wish he'd once had, the wish that the white blood that ran through him, there by an act of violence, might somehow be expunged."

On a Philadelphia radio sports program, he described his grandmother as a "typical white person" who fears blacks.

I think the way he handled the Henry Louis Gates arrest was racist. Without knowing any of the facts, he took Gates' side because he was his friend and because he was black.
Captain Haddock
Fox News is extremely right-wing - that much is undeniable. In order for the BBC's left-wing bias (the existence of which I never denied, I might add) to be on the same level as Fox's right-wing bias, it'd have to be boarder-line communist. Your examples of the BBC supporting the NHS or choosing to write a tasteful eulogy for Ted Kennedy do not even begin to approach this. The 'subtle bias' you speak of is, in reality, a moderate bias. The fact that you have to look hard for it in the first place says enough. You are absolutely correct in saying their broadcast styles are very different - but it just so happens that one of these styles is more impartial than the other.


Why is it appropriate to write a eulogy for Ted Kennedy? Kennedy Killed Mary Jo Kopechne and he doesn't deserve to be honored. And he certainly doesn't deserve to be be buried among so many heroes in Arlington. :puke:
your a douchebag
http://tvbythenumbers.com/2009/08/27/big-beck-goes-over-3-million-viewers-beats-oreilly-in-demo-cable-news-ratings-for-wednesday-august-26-2009/25541

I am a bit surprised to see Becks ratings so high. I wonder if the boycott had the opposite intent? Instead of hurting Beck, it may have drawn more attention to him and his program. They say all publicity is good publicity. :yep:

He has almost double the combined ratings of every other competing news station in his time slot :eek:
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Made in the USA
If your not entertained by Olberman, Maddow, Beck, etc. and you want to watch a news analysis show that is a little less opinionated, there is no need to be jealous of stuff on the other side of the pond. What do you think of Anderson Cooper? He seems pretty fair to me....


Their all too entertaining, thats another problem. News isn't supposed to be entertaining, but informative. British news is heading in the same direction, it just not as bad. Yet.

This is the problem as I see it, Cooper is admired because his fair, surely being "fair" is a pre requisite of journalism, not a plus point.
Cooper seldom informs me, his often repetitive and has a genius for asking the most banal questions. Considering the giants of American journalism in days gone by we can and should be doing better. The "culture wars" have become a sport, tearing the nation apart...it's the system thats in place that is the problem, blowhards, or pretty boys and girls without much interest in journalism.
Saff123
Their all too entertaining, thats another problem. News isn't supposed to be entertaining, but informative. British news is heading in the same direction, it just not as bad. Yet.

This is the problem as I see it, Cooper is admired because his fair, surely being "fair" is a pre requisite of journalism, not a plus point.
Cooper seldom informs me, his often repetitive and has a genius for asking the most banal questions. Considering the giants of American journalism in days gone by we can and should be doing better. The "culture wars" have become a sport, tearing the nation apart...it's the system thats in place that is the problem, blowhards, or pretty boys and girls without much interest in journalism.


I don't think all British news is necessarily of higher quality. What about the print media? I think a lot of the UK tabloids are crap. Our print media is of much higher quality than theirs, but we have more blowhards on the cable tv news than they do.
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I don't think all British news is necessarily of higher quality. What about the print media? I think a lot of the UK tabloids are crap. Our print media is of much higher quality than theirs, but we have more blowhards on the cable tv news than they do.

Fair point, I was considering mentioning the print media, undoubtedly superior in the US. Tabloids are "crap" everywhere, but their widely accepted as valid news sources by an alarming percentage of the population here. I do think American broadsheets on the whole are superior.

The heart of this conundrum is that even some sensible right or left wingers seem to either be forced or somehow compelled to step further to the right or left and join a camp. As in Obama can do no wrong or Obama is a Muslim, a Nazi, a Socialist, a Racist. Every issue then becomes about absolutes, health care reform, abortion. No middle ground.
Saff123

Living in England watching Paxman, Dimbleby and female anchors like Kirsty Walk, whatever their faults makes me green with envy and terribly depressed.:frown:


I've watched enough video of all of these people and I don't see why you are envious :confused:

They are every bit, or maybe even more biased as our blowhards, only less theatrical and entertaining because they don't need to be. BBC isn't ratings driven in the same way commercial stations are. Just because the style is different doesn't mean the quality is any higher.

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