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no i dont think your stealing, i back the plans for doubling the aid and debt relief for africa. I am all for it, but people like you sound very selfish of what we are going to do for africa.(Original post by mkenani)
yes your point has been proven quite so. but i want to ask. then what do you think we should do mr Oracle????? you talk as if we are stealing and yearning for what you have woked for.......
no dear we are not, thats why it is called AID....and anyway i have not really understood what your point is. i mean that you tell me what you think about the AID issue for Mr blair and bush thingy -
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ati what???? people like me sound selfish??i do not think that you have read what i have said all along, i practically iam not fro the idea..because i know the price that i have to pay...i have seen it..i even said that these piliticians here i have eaten on the same table with then...and hell some of them are my relatives of which i take no pride in.
iam not going to thank the west for anything because i did not ask for anything...you are very unknowledgable in this sense.....i see it here and you do now know the price we pay for this so called AID.
we pay with our freedom..with our minds dear...we can never make our own decisions we are made for....we never become our own person...and it even maked us less ambitious dear...if you give us AID all the time who will work>?
we have all the resources but???i do not think you know or even understand what iam saying..i talk with suc h bitterness because iam here and i see it with my own two eyes....so excuse me if iam abit too nasty...but thats what i think..well?? -
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LOL all politicians corrupt? Mandelson, Vaz, Blunkett. Oh, poor countries? Yes, we're not third-world yet, but getting there!(Original post by IZZY!)
I thought it is a common sense. Politicians are corrupt almost in every poor country -
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No offence, it just sounds like your spouting the capitalist excuse for not making anymore aid. 'Oh they are corrupt.' As most people who and they are clueless.I thought it is a common sense. Politicians are corrupt almost in every poor country -
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Blunkett?Mandelson?(Original post by Kingspharm)
LOL all politicians corrupt? Mandelson, Vaz, Blunkett. Oh, poor countries? Yes, we're not third-world yet, but getting there!
What are you talking about? I said in almost every poor country
South Africa is not Third World. Britain is clearly Firt world country. I was talking about poor countries in Africa, Latin America or Asia.
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no. Why isnt it a common sense that these countries are corrupt. Lets look at Nigeria - country rich of oil. Why isnt it rich as Saudi Arabia or Kuwait?Because money made from oil goes into pockets of fat cats(politicians).(Original post by Northumbrian)
No offence, it just sounds like your spouting the capitalist excuse for not making anymore aid. 'Oh they are corrupt.' As most people who and they are clueless.
I am not suggesting that the west should just ignore it. I am suggesting that giving just this money to the government of Africa will be waste of money. They should give those money to charity organizations or AIDS, Health institutions. -
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Oh my gosh, do you live under a rock? I was kidding by the way, it's just amazing how people Think Corruption, Think Mugabe.
Keith Vaz was a Labour cabinet minister. He resigned in disgrace after the Hinduja cash-for-passports affair, which also implicated Mandelson.
Blunkett, in case you forgot, was recently in the headlines for his affair and lovechild, but that wasn't what brought him down - it was the passport application for his mistress's nanny which he 'accelerated'. -
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well, this is not corruption. Even if people say it is, it is much smaller corruption than the severe corruption in Africa.lol.Not only Mugabe is corrupt.(Original post by Kingspharm)
Oh my gosh, do you live under a rock? I was kidding by the way, it's just amazing how people Think Corruption, Think Mugabe.
Keith Vaz was a Labour cabinet minister. He resigned in disgrace after the Hinduja cash-for-passports affair, which also implicated Mandelson.
Blunkett, in case you forgot, was recently in the headlines for his affair and lovechild, but that wasn't what brought him down - it was the passport application for his mistress's nanny which he 'accelerated'. -
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(Original post by IZZY!)
....I am suggesting that giving just this money to the government of Africa will be waste of money. They should give those money to charity organizations or AIDS, Health institutions.
While I agree with you that giving money to the Government is no good. Let me inform you that in a country like Nigeria, even NGO's are set up just to get money from charitable source and the money is divided amongst the excos (it doesnt even get as far as all the members).
If the source of funds request evidence of their activties, they go out for one day to share food or organize a football match for the children and literarily call in the world media. which is what you usually see on TV.
this is why I think what Nigeria needs is not funds, it is more of re-orientation. or else more people would keep leaving legal work for illegal. -
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I am realistic enough to acknowledge the fact that Africa needs to be reoriented but definitely not towards the western ideology. besides the fetish nature of worship that was part of the original african cultrue, africa;s culture is richly embedded to nurture love, respect and dignity and not hate, greed and absolute disrespect to humanity. Africa needs to look inwards - our own culture holds the key to courruption not the western powers(Original post by Flukey)
Now if history was differen't Africa and all other poor countries may have had the other end of the stick and had an empire like us today.
Us rich west cannot help what we have become, and quite frankly its good, i just wish all the poor countries were as rich as us and their empire's we're strong.
Oh and peeps you can't keep blaming the slave trade all your live, it was a terrible thing and America And UK are deeply sorry for that, but i think you should be mostly looking at the perspective of your country and what can be done about it.
Not if the likes of IMF and UN dont stop peeping and butting their heads into our every business. All their real interest is in the labour force and natural resources. if all they did was consultation and not interferring, africa might just have a better chanceI'm sure if the money from the west is spent well then Africa will benefit in the long run and to build a secure and stable economy.
Take it or leave it, countries like Nigeria cant forget the slave trade era yet, the entity called Nigeria is actually over 200 communitties which had co-existed seperately and peacefully till they got clumped together by the UK on their exit.Oh and peeps you can't keep blaming the slave trade all your live, it was a terrible thing and America And UK are deeply sorry for that, but i think you should be mostly looking at the perspective of your country and what can be done about it.
These communities ended up been grouped into 3 major tribes with a chunk of minority tribes with totally different ways of life. One of the major issues for nigeria today is that the major tribes which represents over 50 communities each have not been able to agree on a way forward as they disagree on just about everything...now explain how that country is meant move on without refrencing this facts. -
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, much to my surprise it appears as if this is actually happening.
Rich nations seal debt relief deal to help Africa
By Sumeet Desai and Brian Love
LONDON (Reuters) - The world's wealthiest countries clinched a deal on Saturday to wipe out more than $40 billion (22 billion pounds) of impoverished nations' debts in a drive to free Africa from hunger and disease.
The deal was struck by finance ministers from the Group of Eight industrialised nations in London after months of tense negotiations and leaves leaders to consider proposals for doubling aid at a summit in Gleneagles, Scotland, next month.
"We are conscious of the abject poverty that so many countries and individuals face. We're being driven forward by the urgent need to act. We've found ourselves united with a shared purpose," Chancellor Gordon Brown told a news conference.
He said the debt of 18 mainly African countries' to multinational lenders would be cancelled immediately. More nations would qualify in the months and years to come.
U.S. Treasury Secretary John Snow called the deal "an achievement of historic proportions".
Debt relief campaigners welcomed the deal but demanded more.
Rock star Bob Geldof, who has campaigned against poverty and disease in Africa for over two decades, has urged a million people to mass in Scotland to drive home the point to the G8 leaders, and is organising a series of rock concerts in the run-up.
Hailing the accord, Geldof said, "Tomorrow 280 million Africans will wake up for the first time in their lives without owing you or me a penny from the burden of debt that has crippled them and their countries for so long."
But he cautioned: "We must be clear that this is the beginning and the end will not be achieved until we have the complete package demanded by the Commission for Africa of debt cancellation, doubling of aid, and trade justice."
Other campaigners complained that more than 18 countries had to be helped now if rich nations were to ever make good on a United Nations pledge to halve world poverty by 2015.
African countries cheered the deal though some questioned the choice of beneficiaries.
"Debt cancellation will provide us with relief on the budget. It will give us enough money to spend in education, health and other social sectors," said Zambia's finance minister Ng'andu Magande.
RELIEF COULD TOP $55 BILLION
The deal, which followed two days of tense and often heated negotiations will provide rapid relief to countries such as Rwanda, Ethiopia, Mauritania and Zambia as well as, beyond Africa, to Honduras and Bolivia.
German Finance Minister Hans Eichel said that the value of debt relief could rise to about $55 billion as other countries became eligible for help.
But one delegate said the Germans were irritated by what they perceived as Brown's preference for using the media to pressure people into a deal.
They had initially wanted the G8 to take a more case-by-case approach, starting with just a few countries.
And while campaigners said the deal was a personal victory for Brown, Britain still faces a tough time winning support for a doubling of aid to Africa before Gleneagles.
"This is not a time for timidity but a time for boldness, and not a time for second best but for aiming high," said Brown who has made the fight against poverty in Africa a personal crusade.
He had sought backing for an International Finance Facility that would double aid to the poorest countries to $100 billion by issuing bonds using rich nations' development budgets as collateral.
But Washington opposed the plan. Instead Brown will launch a pilot IFF project that would provide funds for vaccination programmes in Africa without U.S. or Japanese support.
The G8 also pledged to consider a proposed tax on airline tickets that could help fund aid. Snow repeated U.S. opposition to the idea put forward by France and Germany but said it would not the block the plan if others wanted to implement it.
Turning to their own economic problems, the ministers issued a communique saying growth was likely to be a little less strong this year than last and renewing declarations that high world oil prices and other imbalances posed risks.
"We urge oil producing countries and companies and consumers to recognise their common interest in ensuring investment in sufficient future supplies of oil and refining capacity," they said in a communique.
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There's this book you would love;This House Has Fallen: Midnight in Nigeria by Karl Maier; it addresses so many of the issues you posted about.(Original post by toluseunfawole)
I am realistic enough to acknowledge the fact that Africa needs to be reoriented but definitely not towards the western ideology. besides the fetish nature of worship that was part of the original african cultrue, africa;s culture is richly embedded to nurture love, respect and dignity and not hate, greed and absolute disrespect to humanity. Africa needs to look inwards - our own culture holds the key to courruption not the western powers
Not if the likes of IMF and UN dont stop peeping and butting their heads into our every business. All their real interest is in the labour force and natural resources. if all they did was consultation and not interferring, africa might just have a better chance
Take it or leave it, countries like Nigeria cant forget the slave trade era yet, the entity called Nigeria is actually over 200 communitties which had co-existed seperately and peacefully till they got clumped together by the UK on their exit.
These communities ended up been grouped into 3 major tribes with a chunk of minority tribes with totally different ways of life. One of the major issues for nigeria today is that the major tribes which represents over 50 communities each have not been able to agree on a way forward as they disagree on just about everything...now explain how that country is meant move on without refrencing this facts.
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well is seems that we are at least on some ground now, but i wonder what is the plan???it cannot be to eradicate poverty because this is impossible..
i say this because i know Africa and i live here...what can be done is only to reduce it. well iam praying that all that AID money goes to Food Relief and Healthcare and nothing else...the rest i belive that we should mature uo and try and build for ourselves,,,Too much AID makes the poor African countries lazy and also Negligant, they see that they are being helped so they ask why should they work hard then.
We also need to remove that idea from our heads and work, basically that s why i say that all the AID money should go to the NGO,s ( Non Governmantal Organisations) the budget was read in my country the other day and what came out is that we are still relying on Foreign Aid for the country to run, my country has resources that i can say can really help out,,,,,but the thing is the fat cats!!!!
how are we supposed to deal with the fat cats???with them still around i tell you that Africa is doomed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1 -
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(Original post by mkenani)
well is seems that we are at least on some ground now, but i wonder what is the plan???it cannot be to eradicate poverty because this is impossible..
i say this because i know Africa and i live here...what can be done is only to reduce it. well iam praying that all that AID money goes to Food Relief and Healthcare and nothing else...the rest i belive that we should mature uo and try and build for ourselves,,,Too much AID makes the poor African countries lazy and also Negligant, they see that they are being helped so they ask why should they work hard then.
We also need to remove that idea from our heads and work, basically that s why i say that all the AID money should go to the NGO,s ( Non Governmantal Organisations) the budget was read in my country the other day and what came out is that we are still relying on Foreign Aid for the country to run, my country has resources that i can say can really help out,,,,,but the thing is the fat cats!!!!
how are we supposed to deal with the fat cats???with them still around i tell you that Africa is doomed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
, your oversimplification of the situation overshadows the few valid points you presented.
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well felicity???can you think of a better thing to say??you know what i talk like this because i live here and i know what happens.
you of all people know least what happens here dear, i have taken part in politics because i come from a political oriented familyand i see all of it, you on the other hand read it and hear from the news, infact i have one uncle who eats this money that you sen das aid and he lives as a king.
now my dear you say that i oversimplify things and i have my own blood that eats this money? from the way that you talk you seem to be very young and very unknowlegable in this area....but anyway everyone has right to say what they think no matter how absurd it may sound.
tell me then dear where exactly you think this AID money should go> by all mean tell me -
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mkenani, try not to get angry with someone like felicity who is most likely just curious about what she has heard via the western media.
dont even the africans do same. with the media been as biased as it has become, the best we in africa can do is to enlighten those who bother to confirm what they hear through the media.
NOTE: I refer to both local and international media -
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Both my parents are from Nigeria, I lived there, my mother and her friends continually discuss the problems that plague Nigeria and Africa as a whole (I participate in those discussions), I'm constantly reading books or articles and paying attention to the news. But I’m sure as you said I know nothing of the situation.(Original post by mkenani)
well felicity???can you think of a better thing to say??you know what i talk like this because i live here and i know what happens.
you of all people know least what happens here dear, i have taken part in politics because i come from a political oriented familyand i see all of it, you on the other hand read it and hear from the news, infact i have one uncle who eats this money that you sen das aid and he lives as a king.
now my dear you say that i oversimplify things and i have my own blood that eats this money? from the way that you talk you seem to be very young and very unknowlegable in this area....but anyway everyone has right to say what they think no matter how absurd it may sound.
tell me then dear where exactly you think this AID money should go> by all mean tell me
By assuming because I’m young I know nothing you’re just further proving my point; assumptions and oversimplifying don’t do the situation justice. And writing of AIDS as callously as you do, doesn’t do you justice. As far as the money being diverted and used by corrupt politicians I agree with you wholeheartedly; but the people shouldn’t suffer because they have dishonest leaders. There needs to be some sort of regulation of the funds donated.
In regards to your earlier post, Africa isn’t doomed; there is always a chance of improvement no matter how unlikely it seems. Instead of just giving money for food and healthcare why not invest in education? And give the people the tools necessary to take on the fat cats? -
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My God you shock me!!!now you identify with Africans?? ha ha ..
anyway my dear you are what we call in my country a msaliti..i mean that you do have ties with mother Africa as i can see, but you talk like you are a Briton or something....at least we see one to one on one thing..FAT CATS...but what i do not get is why you are against my Idea of money not going to Governmental ministries and going to the other....you of all people sinc you now claim that you have ties with Nigeria know what iam saying....Nigeria is even the one that is worst here in Africa...and look at it this way..iam suer that when you were in Nigeria you were a small child, what did you know then?? you know what, i will not Argue but by all means do not think of me as rude.
iam not, infact i like the way that you are bold and confident with what you say, though it may be a little abstract but you will soon outgrow it and understand what im saying.
good day princess
