Iran's Holocaust Denial Celebrations

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/in_pictures/8263754.stm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/8264111.stm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/8264075.stm

A tyrant, primitive and oppressive regime is criticizing the only democracy in the middle
east. Irony defined.

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Reply 1

pasargad

I think you'll find that Qods day is a celebration of Jerusalem and not "holocaust denial". Ahmadinejad's rhetoric does not represent Iran and Israel is far from a Democracy.

Reply 2

Blátönn

borismor

They're protesting Israel, not celebrating the holocaust. As far oppressive regimes - how about Israel pushing out the arabic peoples who have lived there for the past 1000+ years?

Reply 3

Diaz89

Why is holocaust revisionism so taboo?

Reply 4

manwithaplan

Blátönn

They're protesting Israel, not celebrating the holocaust. As far oppressive regimes - how about Israel pushing out the arabic peoples who have lived there for the past 1000+ years?

We can go on and on and on for thousands of pages (as shown in the Israel-Palestine thread) with arguments and counter arguments and so on, however what relevance does your statement in bold have to do with this thread?

Reply 5

Fynch101

Diaz89

Why is holocaust revisionism so taboo?

if you had family who died in 9/11
then someone tried to persuade you or other people that 9/11 never actually happened
then how would you feel
ergo sum
troll + think before you speak

Reply 6

Diaz89

Fynch101

if you had family who died in 9/11
then someone tried to persuade you or other people that 9/11 never actually happened
then how would you feel
ergo sum
troll + think before you speak

That's not what holocaust revisionism is about, so next time try to think about what I wrote before you quote me.

Reply 7

johnw1

Diaz89

Why is holocaust revisionism so taboo?

- Because there's an immense body of evidence to demonstrate that it happened (photos, bodies, written records, survivors' testimony, perpetrators' testimony............)

- Because millions of innocent people were raped, tortured, slaughtered in cold blood. It is an insult to these people and their surviving family and friends.

- Because holocaust 'revisionism'/denial is normally motivated by ultierior motives (fascism, Nazism, antisemitism - as in this case....)

Reply 8

Blátönn

manwithaplan

The OP, an Israeli, was hailing Israel as a bastion of democracy in the middle east - this just isn't true. It's relevant because the issue at hand is Iranians protesting Israel which the OP was making out to be something other than it was.

Reply 9

Diaz89

johnw1

No that's one side of the story and my point wasn't to question that, my point is why is it so wrong to dispute these accounts and bring forward an alternative perspective of what really happened.

Secondly the most prominent holocaust revisionists have been people like Paul Rassinier a socialist and a pacifist whom was himself a prisoner in Buchenwald and according to his own experience much of the writings on the holocaust are exaggerated...

And this is the first time I've ever heard that we have to take into consideration someone's feelings when we're searching (apparently) for the truth

Reply 10

ForeverIsMyName

Diaz89

No that's one side of the story and my point wasn't to question that, my point is why is it so wrong to dispute these accounts and bring forward an alternative perspective of what really happened.

I doubt anyone minds if that is what the historians are doing.

Secondly the most prominent holocaust revisionists have been people like Paul Rassinier a socialist and a pacifist whom was himself a prisoner in Buchenwald and according to his own experience much of the writings on the holocaust are exaggerated...

Without a doubt, that man remains in a tiny minority of all scholars who study the holocaust. That doesn't mean that his work should be automatically disregarded, but its important when studying the holocaust and other things that the methods and research conducted by him have been heavily disputed.

Reply 11

Fynch101

Diaz89

That's not what holocaust revisionism is about, so next time try to think about what I wrote before you quote me.

Diaz89

No that's one side of the story and my point wasn't to question that, my point is why is it so wrong to dispute these accounts and bring forward an alternative perspective of what really happened.

I was merely using an example of where a large number of people died that was not religiously related as a comparison.

So my point was valid. And I am quoting you again. What are you going to do about it?

Are you just stupid? or a nazi? or both?

Reply 12

Diaz89

ForeverIsMyName

I doubt anyone minds if that is what the historians are doing.

Disputing the holocaust is crime in Europe you go can to jail for questioning it
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laws_against_Holocaust_denial

Reply 13

Diaz89

Fynch101

I So my point was valid. And I am quoting you again. What are you going to do about it?

*sighs*

]Are you just stupid? or a nazi? or both?

If I was a Nazi and had a rabid hatred for Jews and by all considerations would be proud of what Hitler done to them I wouldn't be asking for disputing accounts of the holocaust wouldn't you think? I would be quite content with the status quo... but this clearly isn't my point, my point is why can't we have a different perspective

Reply 14

tired yet?

Diaz89

That's not what holocaust revisionism is about, so next time try to think about what I wrote before you quote me.

Lol.. you won't win.

Reply 15

ForeverIsMyName

Diaz89

Disputing the holocaust is crime in Europe you go can to jail for questioning it
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laws_against_Holocaust_denial

I'm not defending the European legal systems, I'm just saying that people questioning the evidence related to the holocaust is perfectly acceptable. In fact, I don't think holocaust denial laws are ever used against people who are neutral historians. I think it only becomes a problem when you start lecturing specifically towards neo-nazis and politicise your beliefs.

That said, I think the laws are a bit stupid, frankly.

Reply 16

Fynch101

Diaz89

*sighs*

Well exactly, why can't we have a different perspective on 9/11?
Why can't we have a different perspective on the Rwanda genocide?

Don't ask stupid questions. Its about respect for those who died. They were innocent people who died. i.e. they are dead now. What difference does it make if we have a different perspective? and what different perspective would that be?

Reply 17

borismor

pasargad

Ahmadinejad's rhetoric does not represent Iran and Israel is far from a Democracy.

Whatever you may or may not think about the current Israeli government one thing is for sure - it was legitimately elected. No scams, no rigs.

Moreover - as of yet no one got shot or imprisoned in Tel Aviv or Jerusalem for thinking or saying otherwise.

Reply 18

Diaz89

Fynch101

Well exactly, why can't we have a different perspective on 9/11?
Why can't we have a different perspective on the Rwanda genocide?

We've had that and no one's been jailed for it. Secondly people who adamantly maintain to keep the status quo on historical events evidently have something to hide otherwise they wouldn't be so hostile to dissenting or apposing points of view.

Don't ask stupid questions you spineless cu nt. Its about respect for those who died. They were innocent people who died. i.e. they are dead now. What difference does it make if we have a different perspective? and what different perspective would that be?

What do you mean respect for those who died? If we use your deluded logic there will be no history books. Secondly if it isn't so bad why should people be condemned and jailed for questioning it, if we are "expected" to hold it as truth why can't we uncover different accounts of that supposed truth.

Reply 19

borismor

Diaz89

Why is holocaust revisionism so taboo?

I don't know. Maybe it shouldn't be.

But then - perhaps the plight of the Palestinians needs some revisionism too?

In the current context revisionism means to twist and ignore historical facts as a political strategy.

It has nothing to do with the history of science, and it is the lowest form of demagoguery.