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Reply 60
Hopefully it'll work! hmm
Reply 61
Misogynist
You misinterpreted the reason for putting the policy in place.

While it's true that a normal or high sex drive does not cause people to rape, don't you agree that a person who is mentally predisposed to paedophilia and rape would commit fewer crimes if his sex drive was decreased?

The correlation isn't between sex drive and sexual offence, it's between the sex drive of sexual offenders and future sexual offence.


This.

I think that the policy may not act as a good deterrant, but it could work well to reduce the number of sexual re-offences. And we have to remember that chemical castration isn't permanent, so it can be reversed if someone is found innocent.

I think its a good idea, I'd like to see whether it's effective.
Xerophelistica
Once again they are trying to treat the symptoms rather than the cause.

How about we try to prevent pedos/rapists from ever doing it in the first place, rather than increasing an arbitrary punishment instead. If anything, all these kinds of laws do is encourage a "the reason you shouldn't do xx is because you might get caught" mentality, rather than a "the reason you shouldn't do xx is because it is bad/wrong/etc" one.

I'll use drugs as an example - in countries such as the Netherlands, where weed is legal, they also have lower rates of usage than in some European countries where it IS illegal. This is probably due to it not being seen as "desirable" when you tell people it's not some forbidden fruit. Also, in general, cannabis-legalised countries also have much better drug-education and precautionary measures than others, who once again still tout the old "don't do it because it is bad!" line.

Oh, and before someone replies to this saying I want to legalise rape/paedophilia, no. I'm just using drugs as an example of where stricter punishments don't always reduce the crime rates, but education and rehabilitation do.


Agreed.

I hate the fact that the crime has to happen before the criminal is deterred from doing it.

Admittedly I have no great ideas about how to prevent someone from committing a crime but I certainly think that more harsh punishments would be a start - for example, when school pupils knew that they could get the cane for disrespecting a teacher/ bullying/ violent behaviour, I'm pretty sure they were mostly deterred from doing it. Nowadays, all you get is a detention - wow, a reduced lunch break - or sent home... which the vast majority of misbehaving kids probably want any. All this because teachers have a lack of authority, and the pupils use this as a license to cause havoc.

Maybe if prison wasn't so 'easy' (I've never been, so this is probably the wrong word), people wouldn't chance the possibility of going in there. I know quite a numbered of people who have been banged up - for a variety of different reasons - and most of them laugh about how easy it was and how they'd do it again should they feel strongly enough about committing another crime.

I agree that some laws are treating sympotms rather than cause, but I also think that some laws prevent the latter from being imposed.

I guess I feel more strongly about this than I thought...
Reply 63
looool. it's not enough to just castrate them... they have to CHEMICALLY castrate them :P
For the record, I'm not in favour of the policy for a couple of reasons.

(a) No one should have the right to alter your personality and body. These 'chemicals' effectively decrease your serum testosterone level and therefore you as a whole.
(b) How far can such policies be taken? Should we give prefrontal lobotomies to everyone with emotional problems?
Reply 65
Misogynist
For the record, I'm not in favour of the policy for a couple of reasons.

(a) No one should have the right to alter your personality and body. These 'chemicals' effectively decrease your serum testosterone level and therefore you as a whole.
(b) How far can such policies be taken? Should we give prefrontal lobotomies to everyone with emotional problems?


Though I disagree with your first point, I recognise that it is something that cannot objectively be argued against.

I also disagree with your second point, the 'slippery slope' argument. Should we not implement a policy just becuase of how far it could be taken? If this reasoning was applied to all capital punishment, we would not have many policies.

I think as long as the policy is used with discretion (I'm sure there will be objective criteria an offender has to fulfil to qualify for chemical castration), it could be very effective and protect many people. People with emotional problems who are a danger to other people are sectioned and treated without their consent, for example with drugs. In the same way, sex offenders are a danger to other people and I think chemical castration makes sense.
Misogynist
You misinterpreted the reason for putting the policy in place.

While it's true that a normal or high sex drive does not cause people to rape, don't you agree that a person who is mentally predisposed to paedophilia and rape would commit fewer crimes if his sex drive was decreased?

The correlation isn't between sex drive and sexual offence, it's between the sex drive of sexual offenders and future sexual offence.


Your argument hardly solves the problem. The conclusion must be supported by sufficient reason. You can't say that just because being male makes you more likely to rape in the future should be penalised by catrating all new-born males.
adamrules247
What's wrong with physical castration

That was what i was thinking...
Flying Cookie
Your argument hardly solves the problem. The conclusion must be supported by sufficient reason. You can't say that just because being male makes you more likely to rape in the future should be penalised by catrating all new-born males.

I'm not saying the policy solves anything or is right, I'm just saying your line of thought didn't apply to the matter at hand since your reason for disagreeing with the policy was based on a misinterpretation of their motives.

Secondly, being male isn't a high enough risk factor for rape, as a vast majority of men do not rape people. A sex offender is much more likely to rape than a person who has never committed such an offence before.
Reply 69
Firstly, I will clarify what paedophilia means as a lot of people continually misuse the term. Ephebophilia is the sexual desire for mid-late adolescents, which can generally be categorised as 13 to 18-year-olds. Someone who engages sexually with a minor is not a paedophilia, and most countries take into account the age difference of the participants. Hebephilia is the sexual desire for pubescent youths, which can generally be categorised as 9 to 13-year-olds, but it is problematic given that both sexes develop at different rates. Paedophilia is the sexual desire for prepubescent youths, which can be categorised as 0-9-year-olds or, as I have already pointed out, anyone older that has yet to start puberty. What makes paedophilia different to both the previous behaviours is the lack of sexual maturity in one of the participants, which is why it is generally seen as an abusive behaviour.

As a 21-year-old male I have absolutely no problem admitting I find some 15-year-old girls attractive, but that does not make me a paedophile even if you want to take into account the law. Unless there is a significant age gap between partners, or an official abuse of power (parent/teacher) then most cases of Ephebophilia are not taken seriously; there are biological reasons why we are sexually aroused by young people after all. Of course, Hebephilia is generally frowned upon too because most people consider most young people ill-equipped to make the right decision regarding sex. Interestingly enough, a study has shown that the number of people sexually aroused by minors decreases significantly with the age of the child. The number of hebephilic adults far outnumbers the pedophilic adults, which indicates that most people still desire sexual qualities in their partners; our approach and legislation regarding sexual desire and sexuality still needs some work then.

With regards to the article, I believe criminalising incest was pointless. Outlawing dissent against the justification of paedophilia is just baffling on every level. I find it quite astonishing that I could face imprisonment for suggesting that paedophilia is a legitimate sexual behaviour because two of the most civilised societies the world has ever known publicly practised it.

As for paedophilia itself, the underlying sexual behaviour can never be cured in any real sense, and an attempt to cure such things says a lot more about the state of our society than the behaviour of these people, who cannot help their sexual preference; homosexuality and incest is widely practised in the natural world.

I have always felt that if society feels so strongly about paedophiles then they should execute them. It is impossible to fully reintegrate such people back into society, and locking them away or medically treating them for life is extremely expensive. Of course, few people would genuinely support such action, which highlights the ridiculous hypocrisy of our 'civilisation'.
Reply 70
Doesn't the US already do this? Poland's master?
Reply 71
evantej
Firstly, I will clarify what paedophilia means as a lot of people continually misuse the term. Ephebophilia is the sexual desire for mid-late adolescents, which can generally be categorised as 13 to 18-year-olds. Someone who engages sexually with a minor is not a paedophilia, and most countries take into account the age difference of the participants. Hebephilia is the sexual desire for pubescent youths, which can generally be categorised as 9 to 13-year-olds, but it is problematic given that both sexes develop at different rates. Paedophilia is the sexual desire for prepubescent youths, which can be categorised as 0-9-year-olds or, as I have already pointed out, anyone older that has yet to start puberty. What makes paedophilia different to both the previous behaviours is the lack of sexual maturity in one of the participants, which is why it is generally seen as an abusive behaviour.

As a 21-year-old male I have absolutely no problem admitting I find some 15-year-old girls attractive, but that does not make me a paedophile even if you want to take into account the law. Unless there is a significant age gap between partners, or an official abuse of power (parent/teacher) then most cases of Ephebophilia are not taken seriously; there are biological reasons why we are sexually aroused by young people after all. Of course, Hebephilia is generally frowned upon too because most people consider most young people ill-equipped to make the right decision regarding sex. Interestingly enough, a study has shown that the number of people sexually aroused by minors decreases significantly with the age of the child. The number of hebephilic adults far outnumbers the pedophilic adults, which indicates that most people still desire sexual qualities in their partners; our approach and legislation regarding sexual desire and sexuality still needs some work then.

With regards to the article, I believe criminalising incest was pointless. Outlawing dissent against the justification of paedophilia is just baffling on every level. I find it quite astonishing that I could face imprisonment for suggesting that paedophilia is a legitimate sexual behaviour because two of the most civilised societies the world has ever known publicly practised it.

As for paedophilia itself, the underlying sexual behaviour can never be cured in any real sense, and an attempt to cure such things says a lot more about the state of our society than the behaviour of these people, who cannot help their sexual preference; homosexuality and incest is widely practised in the natural world.

I have always felt that if society feels so strongly about paedophiles then they should execute them. It is impossible to fully reintegrate such people back into society, and locking them away or medically treating them for life is extremely expensive. Of course, few people would genuinely support such action, which highlights the ridiculous hypocrisy of our 'civilisation'.


Less than 18, do them in your head...like math :yep:
Stomm
Yes, into older people. So instead of a young rapist, you just end up with an old rapist. Sex offenders can't and won't change of their own volition, to say that they are sick would be about as accurate a description you can get. Personally I'd just cut the sickness out entirely, but I'd settle for locking them all up together on an old rusty oil rig in the North Sea and then accidentally have an old WWII mine sink the thing...

Maybe they don't currently change because the rehab system in this country is absolutely ****. Perhaps if we focused on intensive programs aimed at change and decent rehabilitation courses rather than punishment, we'd get somewhere. Unfortunately, people like you don't see this, so it'll never happen.
Reply 73
UGeNe
Less than 18, do them in your head...like math :yep:


ROFL. I am ashamed to say that made me giggle like a little girl :biggrin: .
kevin_123
Giving forms of drugs to people even if they dont WANT to? I know they're bad people and all that but I dont think anyone should be forced to take drug things or whatever it is..

Punishments and reprocussions aren't about what the offender 'WANTS' to do though are they? "I'm sorry, I may have killed someone but I don't WANT to serve a life sentence in jail" doesn't really cut it!
Reply 75
Before I read the post I thought that chemical castration was about dipping their doo-da in a tank of acid :lolwut:
There's freedom of speech, but I'm not so sure that having the freedom to be a paedophile is necessarily a good thing...

I agree. And I lol'd when I read the title.
ben_stretch
Punishments and reprocussions aren't about what the offender 'WANTS' to do though are they? "I'm sorry, I may have killed someone but I don't WANT to serve a life sentence in jail" doesn't really cut it!
Spending life in jail is one thing but giving someone drugs to alter their body without their concent is wrong, and doing so does not solve the problem at all, they'll just be a pedophile thats a bit less horny?
Reply 78
kevin_123
Spending life in jail is one thing but giving someone drugs to alter their body without their concent is wrong, and doing so does not solve the problem at all, they'll just be a pedophile thats a bit less horny?


Wouldn't 1 Viagra pill turn them around and get them ready to assault another child?

Safer would be to kill them.

Chemical castration is useless. I would prefer if their balls were cut off.
UGeNe
Wouldn't 1 Viagra pill turn them around and get them ready to assault another child?

Safer would be to kill them.

Chemical castration is useless. I would prefer if their balls were cut off.
what the hell is cutting their balls off gonna help, you need to stop the problem happening in the first place, offer more psychological help etc. etc.

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