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16-10-2009: 16th October 2009 19:30
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http://www.faithfreedom.org/challenge.htm
Thoughts? I am particularly interested in Muslims' viewpoints. Do you agree with this (I'm guessing not), and if not are you able to disprove it?
Edit: This thread is an invitation for a debate with the author of the article, not an open insult to Islam. No point in posting if you're not going to read the article.
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16-10-2009: 16th October 2009 19:31
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http://www.answering-islam.org/Autho...deductions.htm
Very interesting article, where David Wood tries to prove that Muhammad was a False Prophet by using logical deduction. What do you think about this? Agree/disagree?
Edit: This thread is an invitation for a debate with the author of the article, not an open insult to Islam. No point in posting if you're not going to read the article.
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16-10-2009: 16th October 2009 19:32
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Like most medieval leaders he was a tyrant, I don't think that's really something you can agree or disagree with, it's historical fact.
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If he was all these things he'd be a jolly odd choice for a prophet. Makes you wonder what exactly must go through God's head.
16-10-2009: 16th October 2009 19:33
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Originally Posted by Democracy
Like most medieval leaders he was a tyrant, I don't think that's really something you can agree or disagree with, it's historical fact.
Yes. But was he a pedophile? And a rapist?
16-10-2009: 16th October 2009 19:33
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You more or less hit the nail on the head with the thread title OP.
16-10-2009: 16th October 2009 19:34
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Originally Posted by Democracy
Like most medieval leaders he was a tyrant, I don't think that's really something you can agree or disagree with, it's historical fact.
Actually, it's not really a historical fact. Muhammed, like Jesus, hasn't been proven to be a historical figure.
16-10-2009: 16th October 2009 19:35
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It does make you question the followers of Islam when they know that their prophet (apparently) had sexual relations with a 9 year old girl, and still defend their religion to the hills.
16-10-2009: 16th October 2009 19:36
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I ain't going to read all of this as it is long for me. But I can indefinitely say that the author got it wrong and I absolutely disagree.
16-10-2009: 16th October 2009 19:38
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Originally Posted by johnappleseed
I ain't going to read all of this as it is long for me. But I can indefinitely say that the author got it wrong and I absolutely disagree.
Profound.
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Yes 1 in 4 people in the world follow the teachings of a paedophile, rapist and torturer
Your source is BS and these claims have been rebutted on numerous occasions by those who have studied the hadith.
16-10-2009: 16th October 2009 19:39
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Yes. But was he a pedophile? And a rapist?
By today's defintion of the word yes. But King John of England married a 12 year old 600 years after Mohammad died, it was common practice in those days.
That's not a defence of Mohammad btw, I don't think what he did was morally permissable in any day or age, however putting things into a historical context often helps.
As for rapist...
http://www.faithfreedom.org/challenge/rapist.htm
Originally Posted by Howard
Actually, it's not really a historical fact. Muhammed, like Jesus, hasn't been proven to be a historical figure.
Okay, for the sake of argument let's
assume that Mohammad actually existed
16-10-2009: 16th October 2009 19:39
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Originally Posted by izinku
Profound.
You agree with him?
16-10-2009: 16th October 2009 19:40
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Yes 1 in 4 people in the world follow the teachings of a paedophile, rapist and torturer
Your source is BS and these claims have been rebutted on numerous occasions by those who have studied the hadith.
Did he marry a 9 year old or not? Yes, he did. Did he **** her? Probably. So, unless of course you can rebut that, that makes him a pedophile.
16-10-2009: 16th October 2009 19:40
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Originally Posted by CombineHarvester
Yes 1 in 4 people in the world follow the teachings of a paedophile, rapist and torturer
Your source is BS and these claims have been rebutted on numerous occasions by those who have studied the hadith.
They have? This website suggests otherwise. This is the purpose of this thread, if you can argue against them please do.
16-10-2009: 16th October 2009 19:41
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Originally Posted by Democracy
By today's defintion of the word yes. But King John of England married a 12 year old 600 years after Mohammad died, it was common practice in those days.
That's not a defence of Mohammad btw, I don't think what he did was morally permissable in any day or age, however putting things into a historical context often helps.
As for rapist...
http://www.faithfreedom.org/challenge/rapist.htm
Okay, for the sake of argument let's
assume that Mohammad actually existed
We're not talking about the evil King John of Merry Olde England and Robin Hood infamy. I wouldn't expect anything less of him.
We're talking about Muhammed, the prophet of God.
16-10-2009: 16th October 2009 19:42
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Originally Posted by Democracy
Like most medieval leaders he was a tyrant, I don't think that's really something you can agree or disagree with, it's historical fact.
Evidence(s)?
16-10-2009: 16th October 2009 19:43
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Originally Posted by Democracy
Okay, for the sake of argument let's
assume that Mohammad actually existed
OK. So it's a historical fact but only if we assume he existed! LOL!
WHy don't we just
assume Captain Hook was real as well. Then we can
assume he was a wicked pirate with a waxed moustache and a hook who began his career as Blackbeard's boatswain.
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16-10-2009: 16th October 2009 19:43
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Originally Posted by johnappleseed
You agree with him?
His argument is very convincing, I dont see a hole in the reasoning... but I know very little about Islamic theology, which is why I made this thread.
16-10-2009: 16th October 2009 19:45
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The real question is, if a Muslim cannot disprove these claims how can she or he continue following Muhammad's teachings?
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