We're not talking about the evil King John of Merry Olde England and Robin Hood infamy. I wouldn't expect anything less of him.
We're talking about Muhammed, the prophet of God.
Right, so because some people say he's a prophet that means the rest of us have to believe he's infallible?
Originally Posted by Howard
OK. So it's a historical fact if we assume he existed! LOL!
WHy don't we just assume Captain Hook was real as well. Then we can assume he was a wicked pirate with a waxed moustache and a hook who began his career as Blackbeard's boatswain.
Howwie, are you starting again?
I swear to God some days you just wake up and think "hey, today is a good day to go and troll D&D". FFS...
His argument is very convincing, I dont see a hole in the reasoning... but I know very little about Islamic theology, which is why I made this thread.
Just had a skim read.
Argument A庸alse gods and false prophets
A1. If a person speaks in the names of false gods, that person is a false prophet.
A2. Muhammad spoke in the names of false gods.
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A3. Therefore, Muhammad was a false prophet.
Argument B庸alse revelations and false prophets
B1. If a person delivers a revelation that doesn稚 come from God, that person is a false prophet.
B2. Muhammad delivered a revelation that didn稚 come from God.
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B3. Therefore, Muhammad was a false prophet.
Muhammad (May Allah's Peace and Blessing be upon him) had been proved to be a true prophet. I recommend you reading this book and see for yourself.
OP - It's quite obvious what you're doing, two threads on the prophet Muhammed with thread titles that are deliberately intended to insult and get a reaction.
Why dont you try pointing out the flaw in the argument, ie disproving it...
I don't want to...
Originally Posted by izinku
...instead of recommending me a book?
You read that article and agree with him. I am showing you another piece of information and asking you to read it and want to know what you got to say.
lol you need to learn a bit more about islamic theology
Agreed. Rather than just reading, learning and being knowledgeable in a bunch of stuffs that attack Islam and not even understand Islam properly. Not even the basic.
You read that article and agree with him. I am showing you another piece of information and asking you to read it and want to know what you got to say.
Unfortunately, the burden of proof (or disproof) lies on you. Make a thread about the book, or even better send David Wood an email about it, and then the burden of proof will lie on others.
This thread here is about a different topic, presenting a seemingly valid article which disproves Islam. Please respond accordingly
Agreed. Rather than just reading, learning and being knowledgeable in a bunch of stuffs that attack Islam and not even understand Islam properly. Not even the basic.
lol I am not 'attacking Islam', I am posting about someone else's work and trying to get some legit critical opinions on it. So far noone has provided any All you're doing is saying 'lol ur wrong', and I am afraid that doesn't cut it.
Since the Quran has been right about so many other things which happen hundreds of years later, I don't see how it could be wrong about something that was happening at the time the Quran was revealed.
People will often ask me what has the Quran predicted. And I will reply it predicted 1400 years ago that the galaxy is expanding which is what Edwin Hubble discovered in the 1920's, not even 100 years ago.
Chapter 21. Verse 30 says that it is God that created everything, such as the heavens and the Earth, which were once joint together, but seperated over time.
Some people don't find this convincing.
I then like to quote Chapter 75 Verse 8-9, where it says that the sun will one day collide with the moon. If we look at what science says, the sun will change into a star known as the "red giant", which will expand and collide with mercury and venus, and will become very close to the earth, taking the moon with it as well.
The reason why I have quoted this is because there are thousands of things the Quran has said which have been proved to be true, and I doubt that onw of the most important things the Quran talks about is false.
OP - It's quite obvious what you're doing, two threads on the prophet Muhammed with thread titles that are deliberately intended to insult and get a reaction.
Mmm not quite, they are just pointing out some people's work which pretty objectively discuss Muhammad's life and merits. I am asking Muslims to critically evaluate it, and say why they disagree with the points. If that is 'trying to get a reaction', then yes, that is what I am doing .
no one can prove anything. He did not prove that Mohammad was a false prophet, he just simply argued against it and i don't see his argument as logical at all.
Since the Quran has been right about so many other things which happen hundreds of years later, I don't see how it could be wrong about something that was happening at the time the Quran was revealed.
People will often ask me what has the Quran predicted. And I will reply it predicted 1400 years ago that the galaxy is expanding which is what Edwin Hubble discovered in the 1920's, not even 100 years ago.
Chapter 21. Verse 30 says that it is God that created everything, such as the heavens and the Earth, which were once joint together, but seperated over time.
Some people don't find this convincing.
I then like to quote Chapter 75 Verse 8-9, where it says that the sun will one day collide with the moon. If we look at what science says, the sun will change into a star known as the "red giant", which will expand and collide with mercury and venus, and will become very close to the earth, taking the moon with it as well.
The reason why I have quoted this is because there are thousands of things the Quran has said which have been proved to be true, and I doubt that onw of the most important things the Quran talks about is false.
What does that have to do with the argument at hand? Has David Wood made a mistake in his chain of reasoning or has he not?
Did he marry a 9 year old or not? Yes, he did. Did he **** her? Probably. So, unless of course you can rebut that, that makes him a pedophile.
According to hadith she had been engaged to another (non-Muslim) man at the age of 6 or 7 but her parents wanted her to marry a Muslim man as they wanted their daughter to live in a Muslim household. Therefore, using the advice of another woman, the parents approached Muhammad to ask if he would accept her in marriage. He agreed (she was around 9/10 at this stage) and they were engaged for around 2/3 years before they finally married. The marriage was apparently consummated when she reached puberty or after she had fully developed. Marital agreements were common in order to ensure financial security for a girl for the rest of her life hence the early engagement. As a reference the Virgin Mary was around 12 years old when giving birth to Jesus.
Some hadith vary on age but according to details of her previous engagement she'd have to be around 9/10 during engagement to Muhammad. There are discrepancies on age since the hadith were written up to and around 300 years after the death of Muhammad.
no one can prove anything. He did not prove that Mohammad was a false prophet, he just simply argued against it and i don't see his argument as logical at all.
I disagree.
But why isn't his argument logical. This is just as good as 'lol ur wrong' answer.
I believe Mohammed was a prophet but thats coz of my way of thinking...in the same way, many people that are atheist are not convinced about God existing...they simply dont want to believe it or cant because for them there isnt sufficient proof of Gods existence and i respect their opinions on that because none of us would believe anything unless we believed in the evidence supporting it.
By today's defintion of the word yes. But King John of England married a 12 year old 600 years after Mohammad died, it was common practice in those days.
That's not a defence of Mohammad btw, I don't think what he did was morally permissable in any day or age, however putting things into a historical context often helps.
OP - It's quite obvious what you're doing, two threads on the prophet Muhammed with thread titles that are deliberately intended to insult and get a reaction.
Discuss theological issues, which are issues inherent to a religion, not their political manifestations.
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