The episode for me leaves me to question our parenting techniques, I mean in the episode I saw that religion kept the family on track and the morals that the religion taught helped to create a good family life. Which makes me question whether atheism is a good thing Religion can be a good thing sometimes even if some believe it is based on 'lies' but it can create a good foundation for a person's life as long as they respect other people's beliefs because it provides people with faith, I've seen that those who don't have a religion sometimes can turn pessimistic far easily as there is no "It was God's will" to soften the blow of a bad situation.
Same! I hope they use more african parents,they're so much jokes. I love the show but can't beleive parents will let their children run amock like that , if you did that in my family you're getting sent to Africa
yes that was always a threat. My mum said if I misbehaved I would get sent to ghana to my grandma to work on the farm..
u know! the insukts sometimes can be jokes! my dad has and angry glare..which would scare the average person..it did when i was younger (so i mostly was a good child) but now it makes me giggle.
The episode for me leaves me to question our parenting techniques, I mean in the episode I saw that religion kept the family on track and the morals that the religion taught helped to create a good family life. Which makes me question whether atheism is a good thing Religion can be a good thing sometimes even if some believe it is based on 'lies' but it can create a good foundation for a person's life as long as they respect other people's beliefs because it provides people with faith, I've seen that those who don't have a religion sometimes can turn pessimistic far easily as there is no "It was God's will" to soften the blow of a bad situation.
yo what?
back up?
Are you trying to say that religion keeps families on track?
that atheist families can't be on track?
I mean those kids just seemed to be living for their parents, and to be honest if they grow up how I expect them to I sure as hell wouldn't want to talk to them.
Just because religion has positive points doesn't make it a good thing surely. Negative points can be drawn from it. Now I'm not saying it's not a good thing, but that your argument doesn't show it to be a good thing, just that in this circumstance a religious family had a (scarily in my opinion) disciplined set of kids leading a rather sheltered life.
Religion doesn't create a good foundation for anyone's life, that's what the person does. And religion surely isn't needed for that!
er...and? I've seen people lose their religion and go "oh ****" I've seen people who have found religion and are complete nuts, Are you saying religious people don't sometimes turn pessimistic rather easily?
Are you trying to say that religion keeps families on track?
that atheist families can't be on track?
I mean those kids just seemed to be living for their parents, and to be honest if they grow up how I expect them to I sure as hell wouldn't want to talk to them.
Just because religion has positive points doesn't make it a good thing surely. Negative points can be drawn from it. Now I'm not saying it's not a good thing, but that your argument doesn't show it to be a good thing, just that in this circumstance a religious family had a (scarily in my opinion) disciplined set of kids leading a rather sheltered life.
Religion doesn't create a good foundation for anyone's life, that's what the person does. And religion surely isn't needed for that!
er...and? I've seen people lose their religion and go "oh ****" I've seen people who have found religion and are complete nuts, Are you saying religious people don't sometimes turn pessimistic rather easily?
No.
I basically answered your questions in my post, I am saying that with religion it provides a less of a reason to be pessimistic because of this idea of "God's will" etc. I have friends who would've been dead without religion because they believed their their hardship was for a reason. Whether that is true or not it still prevented a devastating death.
It seems that you have not seen that I used the word "can" not "will" which shows that I am not stating that religion always provides a good foundation I am stating that it can. Some will use religion to fuel hate while others wont.
My post was just my opinion and I purely question whether atheism is possibly linked to the slow breakdown of social morals in this country, I mean to be honest this generation is a bit ******.
I basically answered your questions in my post, I am saying that with religion it provides a less of a reason to be pessimistic because of this idea of "God's will" etc. I have friends who would've been dead without religion because they believed their their hardship was for a reason. Whether that is true or not it still prevented a devastating death.
It seems that you have not seen that I used the word "can" not "will" which shows that I am not stating that religion always provides a good foundation I am stating that it can. Some will use religion to fuel hate while others wont.
My post was just my opinion and I purely question whether atheism is possibly linked to the slow breakdown of social morals in this country, I mean to be honest this generation is a bit ******.
We don't really have first hand experiences of the last generation when they were our age though do we?
And you don't know whether those people would or would not have been alive without religion. No-one does, it's a completely different set of circumstances. They could just cling to something else for all you know.
Just because people can use religion to do something doesn't make religion a good thing.
Surely other things can do those things as well.
And with reguards to the black parents in America (baptist church) I would argue that the kids didn't show any signs of critical thinking, although the camp boy did show signs, although very limited admittedly, of basic critical thinking.
But my main point remains:
Religion does not deserve to be responsibility for good or bad things in peoples lives, people do. It can be used as a tool by people, that doesn't mean it should, or that without it they would be ******.
We don't really have first hand experiences of the last generation when they were our age though do we?
And you don't know whether those people would or would not have been alive without religion. No-one does, it's a completely different set of circumstances. They could just cling to something else for all you know.
Just because people can use religion to do something doesn't make religion a good thing.
Surely other things can do those things as well.
And with reguards to the black parents in America (baptist church) I would argue that the kids didn't show any signs of critical thinking, although the camp boy did show signs, although very limited admittedly, of basic critical thinking.
But my main point remains:
Religion does not deserve to be responsibility for good or bad things in peoples lives, people do. It can be used as a tool by people, that doesn't mean it should, or that without it they would be ******.
Now I am not saying religion is all good just that aspects of it can be possibly helpful.
I don't really follow a religion because I prefer being a free-thinker but I still see that religion helps fill a void for some people and helps them to better themselves.
I know first hand that my best friend would not be the same person if she didn't have religion, so much has happened to her and she has told me that religion and spirituality keeps her at bay and keeps her optimistic with life even though things have become bad for her recently. Now I am not too sure if she had religion that she would still be here has many of times she has thought and attempted to kill herself but going to church helped her believe that there is more to the pain she feels. Now I don't know what else in this world can provide a person with that type of faith.
Now I am not saying religion is all good just that aspects of it can be possibly helpful.
I don't really follow a religion because I prefer being a free-thinker but I still see that religion helps fill a void for some people and helps them to better themselves.
I know first hand that my best friend would not be the same person if she didn't have religion, so much has happened to her and she told me first hand that religion and spirituality keeps her at bay and keeps her optimistic with life even though things have become bad for her recently. Now I am not too sure if she had not had religion that she would still be here has many of times she has thought and attempted to kill herself but going to church helped her believe that there is more to the pain she feels. Now I don't know what else in this world can provide a person with that type of faith.
bold-so that your post makes sense, as I can't make sense of that part as it stands. I presume that's what you meant.
Again, if you take religion out then surely other tools could be found to fill that void. And yes she's said religion keeps her at bay, but again without it surely she could just find something else to keep her at bay.
I believe optimism and pessimism are bad things myself.
bold-so that your post makes sense, as I can't make sense of that part as it stands. I presume that's what you meant.
Again, if you take religion out then surely other tools could be found to fill that void. And yes she's said religion keeps her at bay, but again without it surely she could just find something else to keep her at bay.
I believe optimism and pessimism are bad things myself.
oops yeah sorry about that. Yeah I meant if she had not had religion
I just can't think of anything else that would fill the void in the same way.
If you have any ideas I would be glad to hear of them.
oops yeah sorry about that. Yeah I meant if she had not had religion
I just can't think of anything else that would fill the void in the same way.
If you have any ideas I would be glad to hear of them.
Well that changes from person to person but if you take religion out then instead of a religious aspect of their lives they may easily find philosophy, expressing themselves in a new way, making new friends, so on so forth, as viable ways of filling any emptiness they feel in life. Religions as far as I can tell tend to limit liberties without the use of logic. Which is why I tend to stay away from most of them. Which bringing us full circle is one of my main critiques against the use of it by the parents that I've made reference to from the show.
I don't know much about India. My house mates have told me not everyone is religious, as in a fairly bigger proportion then I would have thought, that Christianity, Islam and Hinduism are fairly prominent. Despite India being the birth place of Buddhism that's not overly prominent there (although I think Hinduism despite being an older religion, adopted some traditions from it, at least some part of Hinduism).
Anyone know what kind of parents they'll have?
I think it'll probably be Christian but I really hope Muslim parents.
I don't know much about India. My house mates have told me not everyone is religious, as in a fairly bigger proportion then I would have thought, that Christianity, Islam and Hinduism are fairly prominent. Despite India being the birth place of Buddhism that's not overly prominent there (although I think Hinduism despite being an older religion, adopted some traditions from it, at least some part of Hinduism).
Anyone know what kind of parents they'll have?
I think it'll probably be Christian but I really hope Muslim parents.
India again they did that last season! we want somewhere different
Out of curiosity, do you guys ever see the Australian kids in any of the episodes?
We have our own version (btw, don't mess with Chinese Singaporean parents whatever you do ), but occasionally when we run out of shows, the presenter just whacks on the British version!
So I get confused, I'm like - I thought this show was Aussie - it started out that way, and now the kids sound like they're from England?? Bizarre...
I like this series, It just shows how british kids have completely lost respect for their parents and themselves.
I think school plays a key factor in the upbringing of children, Its all well and good to send a child out or misbehaving but sending out without talking to them and threatening to give them a detention does nothing. Kids need to be spoken to with respect and understanding and also with assertiveness, it really does make all the difference.
bold-so that your post makes sense, as I can't make sense of that part as it stands. I presume that's what you meant.
Again, if you take religion out then surely other tools could be found to fill that void. And yes she's said religion keeps her at bay, but again without it surely she could just find something else to keep her at bay.
I believe optimism and pessimism are bad things myself.
Why are you turning this thread into religious debate. Just allow it ffs. People believe what they want if you does not do you any harm then let it be.
Why are you turning this thread into religious debate. Just allow it ffs. People believe what they want if you does not do you any harm then let it be.
So if I see jews being killed on mass because of someone's beliefs, but it doesn't harm me because I'm not a jew, I should just let it be?
Okay extreme example, but it makes the point clear. I'm not turning it into a religious debate but I'm bringing up the issues that surround one of the families I've seen in the program, which is far more related to liberties and freedom of thought/indoctrinating and brainwashing people.
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I love the programme, and yes a lot of british youths have lost all respect for anything. However, it kinda gives the impression that every british youths are like this, when they're not!
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Religion can be a good thing sometimes even if some believe it is based on 'lies' but it can create a good foundation for a person's life as long as they respect other people's beliefs because it provides people with faith, I've seen that those who don't have a religion sometimes can turn pessimistic far easily as there is no "It was God's will" to soften the blow of a bad situation.
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