[s33]

(Original post by The_0001)
If you actually read abit about Islam, you would understand that to be a Muslim, you must accept the Torah and Injeel(Bible) as Books from God The Quran was sent down, because the previous Books have been distorted and thus redundant.

Let us look at the facts, as you insist. 1400 years ago, in Arabia, life expectancy was around 35-40, people aged over, were considered extremely healthy and blessed. They also matured early, an example being Osama Bin Zaid, a 17 year old who lead the Muslims to victory over the Romans. Another example, would be conquering Spain, which was done by teenagers. I think you undestand what i'm trying to say. Muhummad PBUH, married Ayesha, when she was 9. She gave consent, she wanted to marry him, they did not consumate their marriage until she was at the right age, even after she married, she didn't live with her husband, she lived with her mum and dad, until she was ready to move out. This was nothing new, nor amazing, it was a common occurence in Europe and Asia at the time, obviuously things have changed since then.

Your attack is against Muhummad is made even more weak when you look at the present day, people having sex with minors, European and American men moving to Asia where it is easy for them to molest children, these people can be attacked on a moral front, the same cannot be said about the Prophet Muhummad PBUH.

Again, your lack of knowledge of the history of Islam is making your argument even more pathetic. Muslims were being oppressed, and they did not fight back for many years, they were not even defending themselves after they were being attacked, this lead to the prophet having to Migrate to Yathrib. It was only many years later, where they were allowed to defend themselves, the conditions being that they had to be attacked first, and if it was severe enough that they had fallen to the ground. Even then, they could only hit back with blunt objects, so your argument of Muhummad being a warlord, is wholly incorrect.

You do, however, make a good point. Muslims are good people, it is a pillar of faith that they must give 2.5% of their wealth to the poor each year. You also make a valid point that Islam, is being portrayed negatively by extremists, you wouldn't judge a ferrari as being rubbish if the driver was a poor one, you would blame the driver, likewise, Islam isn't to be blamed here, extremists are.

Islam is the only true religion, as it is not just a religion, it is a way of life.

A.) Just because an incredibly small majority of Westerners are paedophiles today, doesn't make it fine to have been one 1500 years ago.
B.) As far as I'm aware he married her at 6 (and you seem to be brainwashed and disillusioned so I'm not going to trust your facts) which was still an exceptionally young age for the time.
C.) Your biased viewpoint is stopping you from seeing that Islam is nothing special in terms of religions. It is most definately not perfect, otherwise extremists would not be able to hijack it and mutate it to something that is evil and disgusting, as they do. Islam is susceptible to the exact same flaws as other religions.
D.)Although Middle Eastern Astrologers and scientists did discover many things that were way ahead of their time (before the mainstream introduction of Islam into their society) there is no doubt that a lot of the science in the Muslim Holy books is incorrect, proving the Qu'ran is not a perfect book. Added to all of the contradictions within the book, you can easily see that it is just like any other book.

Again, I have to point you to Craig Winn and his literature. It is all availible on the internet, is well researched and, although he is no doubt an Islamaphobe, he makes good points.

Get over yourself, get over the fact your religion is just a religion, not THE religion.

[The_0001]

(Original post by s33)
A.) Just because an incredibly small majority of Westerners are paedophiles today, doesn't make it fine to have been one 1500 years ago.
B.) As far as I'm aware he married her at 6 (and you seem to be brainwashed and disillusioned so I'm not going to trust your facts) which was still an exceptionally young age for the time.
C.) Your biased viewpoint is stopping you from seeing that Islam is nothing special in terms of religions. It is most definitely not perfect, otherwise extremists would not be able to hijack it and mutate it to something that is evil and disgusting, as they do. Islam is susceptible to the exact same flaws as other religions.
D.)Although Middle Eastern Astrologers and scientists did discover many things that were way ahead of their time (before the mainstream introduction of Islam into their society) there is no doubt that a lot of the science in the Muslim Holy books is incorrect, proving the Qu'ran is not a perfect book. Added to all of the contradictions within the book, you can easily see that it is just like any other book.

Again, I have to point you to Craig Winn and his literature. It is all availible on the internet, is well researched and, although he is no doubt an Islamaphobe, he makes good points.

Get over yourself, get over the fact your religion is just a religion, not THE religion.

I think your argument encapsulates your who demeanour, why don't you actually do some research.

[Syrokal]

(Original post by The_0001)
I think your argument encapsulates your who demeanour, why don't you actually do some research.

Yet you didn't logically refute his points?

[s33]

(Original post by Syrokal)
Yet you didn't logically refute his points?

Because he knows his only point is "Islam is the one true religion, because the person who invented it said God told him so"

[Syrokal]

(Original post by s33)
Because he knows his only point is "Islam is the one true religion, because the person who invented it said God told him so"

Dang i forgot that one.

Guess I best get converting.

[ChromeDome]

Worst religion one can encounter. Sure the so called 'Moderate Muslims' are fantastic people but in reality, Muhammad PBUH would not be impressed by todays Modern Muslims. For instance there is a Surah whish says A muslim should follow the Qur'an fully, if not they are just like the unbelievers. That would apply to nearly all moderate Muslims.

The real Muslims are the ones causing chaos i.e Taliban, Al Qaeda, PLO and various other labelled 'Extremists'.

Do not bring that Abrogated verse nonsense either.

[s33]

(Original post by Syrokal)
Dang i forgot that one.

Guess I best get converting.

I know right. Buying my girlfriend the Burkha tomorow, because it's oh so liberating. Musn't be racist though, or I'm just going down to his/her level.

[ChromeDome]

Keep Thy Religion To Thy Self

Don't walk around saying Islam is the only one true religion. That is ultimately insulting to other faiths. Keep that in the Mosque and in your Homes.

Same goes to every other religious nut

[s33]

(Original post by ChromeDome)
Keep Thy Religion To Thy Self

Don't walk around saying Islam is the only one true religion. That is ultimately insulting to other faiths. Keep that in the Mosque and in your Homes.

Same goes to every other religious nut

I realllllllyyyy want to rep you but I've run out for the day

[Ahania]

(Original post by ChromeDome)
Worst religion one can encounter. Sure the so called 'Moderate Muslims' are fantastic people but in reality, Muhammad PBUH would not be impressed by todays Modern Muslims. For instance there is a Surah whish says A muslim should follow the Qur'an fully, if not they are just like the unbelievers. That would apply to nearly all moderate Muslims.

The real Muslims are the ones causing chaos i.e Taliban, Al Qaeda, PLO and various other labelled 'Extremists'.

Do not bring that Abrogated verse nonsense either.

The PLO is a largely secular, nationalist organisation, containing GODLESS COMMUNISTS. Muhammad would despise them.

The Qur'an also says that Muslims should live in peace with People of the Book, and only fight in self defence. The Taliban and Al Qaeda don't obey these parts of the Qur'an, so by your logic they are kafirun as well.

[G8D]

Muhammad is a cool guy and he doesn't afraid of anything!

[ChromeDome]

(Original post by Ahania)
The PLO is a largely secular, nationalist organisation, containing GODLESS COMMUNISTS. Muhammad would despise them.

The Qur'an also says that Muslims should live in peace with People of the Book, and only fight in self defence. The Taliban and Al Qaeda don't obey these parts of the Qur'an, so by your logic they are kafirun as well.

So basically your saying you can pick and mix what you like and don't like. The violent verses are ignored by moderates, The verse which says do not befriend Christians and Jews, if you do your just like them, thats ignored aswell. I have no problem with Muslims editing out the violent nonsense but that also goes against fundamental teachings. I'm a fair guy, the same can be said for Christianity during the 1st testament, only difference is, Jesus came and edited out all the violence. Muhammad PBUH just took bit and pieces from the old testament and new testament.

The only issue I have with Islam is its intolerable unforgiving rules towards women in particular, my girlfriends Egyptian which by default makes her a Sunni Muslim, her immediate family i.e mum, sister, dad are pretty moderate with the exception of the father on that. She was told if she ever brings home a man who isn't Muslim, she shouldn't come home or even think about going to Egypt because she'd be taught a lesson, in other words beaten to death, or near enough.

I mean c'mon, what the is that. I understand that the man has to be Muslim for the childrens sake because the man is the leader of the family. However, why do Muslims (not all) never make exceptions where by the man gives full religious authority over the children to the wife. Christians, Hindus, Sikhs etc all inter marry......but Islam has a humongous issue with inter faith marriage. Of course there are cases where die hard Christians would refuse to marry outside and vice versa with other religions, Islam, not having it or else you are to be killed.

If this debate is to continue, I'm more than willing to extract surahs to back up my points.

[Thomasmc135]

(Original post by Gueirguiy)
Could I please get a big mac, small large fries and an orange coke.

Thank you.

How does that work???

[Srxjer]

(Original post by Charzhino)
It is, it inspiried scientists like Einstein who is reported to have said this after reading it: ''When I read the Bhagavad-Gita and reflect about how God created this universe everything else seems so superfluous,"

That quote is actually fabricated.

[Boon!]

In 2000 years time, the sheep-like followers of Gryffindor and Slytherin might wage war upon one another, claiming their beliefs are the only 'true' ones.

Books, written and translated by people.