Czech President Vaclav Klaus has signed the European Union's Lisbon Treaty, the final step in its ratification.
The controversial Lisbon Treaty has finally be ratified and is expected to come into force on the first of December. The BBC article makes note of Gordon Brown's pleasure at the completion of the ratification process.
Frankly, Gordon Brown, is this not just the ratification of the Lisbon Treaty, but this day marks another item added to the list that marks the dishonest, lies, and betrayal of the British people.
Mr Cameron has a lot of work to do. His term will be short lived if he fails to fight Europe.
L i b, would you have liked to see a referendum on the Treaty of Lisbon?
I'm generally against referendums, but it wouldn't have been the worst thing in the world had it been conducted sensibly - realistically though, the reforms were happening, referendum victory or not, so I suppose it would have been disingenuous to present things as otherwise.
I also reject the 'we were promised one' argument, and I don't much like how many Eurosceptics use the referendum campaign just to try and stuff the EU altogether.
I'm generally against referendums, but it wouldn't have been the worst thing in the world had it been conducted sensibly - realistically though, the reforms were happening, referendum victory or not, so I suppose it would have been disingenuous to present things as otherwise.
I also reject the 'we were promised one' argument, and I don't much like how many Eurosceptics use the referendum campaign just to try and stuff the EU altogether.
and Im sure the Eurosceptics don't like being promised a referendum then denied one because the public agree with them
Creates a "President" of sorts, though the treaty is a bit vague as to how powerful that role will be. Post of Foreign Affairs spokesman or sorts too, apparently David Miliband is the lead runner for that role, not a bad idea for him to jump ship whilst the government is sinking. Also gives MEP's more powers to override member states' laws. I've been reading a bit of it because I'm off to Brussels this weekend, but it's a really dense document, not too easy to digest. Should be initiated by 1st December this year. And to those who have a go at the Tories for (probably, we'll see tomorrow) backing out of a referendum, Gordon Brown and Nick Clegg both promised referendums on it, so Gordon and Nick are being rather hypocritical when they have a go at Cameron.
the british public is insane and obviously mentally retarded, i hope you guys are patriotic enough to understand this was a very bad idea for britain and i hope the problems come back at the people who ratified it.
Creates a "President" of sorts, though the treaty is a bit vague as to how powerful that role will be. Post of Foreign Affairs spokesman or sorts too, apparently David Miliband is the lead runner for that role, not a bad idea for him to jump ship whilst the government is sinking. Also gives MEP's more powers to override member states' laws. I've been reading a bit of it because I'm off to Brussels this weekend, but it's a really dense document, not too easy to digest. Should be initiated by 1st December this year. And to those who have a go at the Tories for (probably, we'll see tomorrow) backing out of a referendum, Gordon Brown and Nick Clegg both promised referendums on it, so Gordon and Nick are being rather hypocritical when they have a go at Cameron.
Puangiangi, I agree with you when you say the Treaty is vague. The power of the President will be an evolutionary one. Much like the Prime Minister, the President role will be decided successively by the style of each president.
If we get the Belgian, it will be a Chairman position. If we get Blair; god forbid, we get an American style President.
I also agree that Lisbon is a dense document. Like you, I have attempted to read the document, however, with each page I felt my soul slowly decaying against the sands of time.
In short, I gave up reading it.
You are also very correct in that No Labour or Liberal Democratic can attack the Conservatives on this issue. They both promised referendums and backed out. Labour promised one, got into Government, then u-turned.
Puangiangi, I agree with you when you say the Treaty is vague. The power of the President will be an evolutionary one. Much like the Prime Minister, the President role will be decided successively by the style of each president.
If we get the Belgian, it will be a Chairman position. If we get Blair; god forbid, we get an American style President.
I also agree that Lisbon is a dense document. Like you, I have attempted to read the document, however, with each page I felt my soul slowly decaying against the sands of time.
In short, I gave up reading it.
You are also very correct in that No Labour or Liberal Democratic can attack the Conservatives on this issue. They both promised referendums and backed out. Labour promised one, got into Government, then u-turned.
God I love you. You're possibly the first person to agree with an entire post I've made! Positive rep incoming.
the british public is insane and obviously mentally retarded, i hope you guys are patriotic enough to understand this was a very bad idea for britain and i hope the problems come back at the people who ratified it.
Patriotism is the irrational belief that a country is superior just because you happen to be born in it.
Mr Cameron has a lot of work to do. His term will be short lived if he fails to fight Europe.
Actually I think Cameron is quite relieved. I would have loved to have seen the Lisbon treaty delayed until he got into power just to see what he would do about it. Whilst he needs to pander to the eurosceptics, Cameron knows there's very little he could do in reality, even if the treaty wasn't ratified.
Actually I think Cameron is quite relieved. I would have loved to have seen the Lisbon treaty delayed until he got into power just to see what he would do about it. Whilst he needs to pander to the eurosceptics, Cameron knows there's very little he could do in reality, even if the treaty wasn't ratified.
To a degree, I actually agree.
I am not a fan of Cameron myself. He has not the strength of Thatcher.
Cameron is playing a balancing game. Too eurosceptic and he risks tearing the party apart as well as risking international relations, not eurosceptic enough and he upsets the electorate and the eurosceptic wing of the party resulting in the tearing of the party.
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Lisbon Treaty Ratified!
