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  1. NuclearFusion's Avatar
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    Re: Is University Name/Ranking important?
    (Original post by Leo*)
    It'll only matter if the employer went to a high ranking university themselves and developed their own uni snobbery.
    Otherwise, no it shouldn't really matter too much, although don't expect to be "head hunted" by employers scooping up graduates from "top universities"
    I think it is unfair to say that employers who care about which Uni people go to are snobbish, there is a very good reason that people try hard to get good grades to go to good unis, if no employer cared which uni you went to, then I'm pretty sure top unis wouldn't be as competitive as they are. So yes, ranking is important, to more or less extent depending on the job in question, but certainly saying that only snobbish employers care about the uni that potential employees went to is incorrect.
  2. Jedbrien's Avatar
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    Which universities have better career prospects abroad:Imperial or UCL?
    I'm planning to go into the Finance/Investment Banking field after i graduate. I am planning to apply for Theoretical Physics (slightly different course name at Imperial) and i was wondering in terms of international reputation for employers, which university is better?
  3. NuclearFusion's Avatar
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    Guardian League Table
    Who else here thinks that the Guardian is pretty out with its rankings? For example for Biosciences (just picked at random- I'm doing physics) Gloucestershire is ranked at 11th, yet Imperial is ranked at 20th?! And Nottingham Trent is ranked 38th but Southampton is 45th?! For maths Central Lancashire is 5th- higher than places like Imperial, Bristol, UCL, Bath and Durham?! What is up with their league tables, because as far as I can see, they are pretty much useless!
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    Re: Is University Name/Ranking important?
    (Original post by TheMan100)
    Hi, I was wondering whether a University's ranking/name/reputation is important in the world of work? Say for example, University A is ranked 10 out of 113, and University B, is ranked 90 out of 113, but you can get the exact same degree from both places.

    Now, you have your degree, and apply for a job. Would the employer be bothered by the University you went to, despite you having a degree which is relevant to the job?
    I suppose that in most cases, a difference between 10th and 90th would certainly be noticed by employers - after all, whilst it is true that employers do look at other factors rather than just where you obtained your degree, it is a huge difference.

    I'd say a difference between 15th and 8th wouldn't set you back at all, but for such a huge difference (80 places...), employers would notice.
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    Re: Which universities have better career prospects abroad:Imperial or UCL?
    Reputation ~ Neglible difference
    Better course ~ Imperial

    In my opinion.
  6. FDR's Avatar
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    Re: Guardian League Table
    (Original post by NuclearFusion)
    Who else here thinks that the Guardian is pretty out with its rankings? For example for Biosciences (just picked at random- I'm doing physics) Gloucestershire is ranked at 11th, yet Imperial is ranked at 20th?! And Nottingham Trent is ranked 38th but Southampton is 45th?! For maths Central Lancashire is 5th- higher than places like Imperial, Bristol, UCL, Bath and Durham?! What is up with their league tables, because as far as I can see, they are pretty much useless!
    It's rankings aren't "out" at all - they are based on the same information as other league tables, but given different weightings, as well as the value added score. So the rankings aren't just incorrect because they go against your perceptions of where universities should rank, the criteria used are a little different to other tables, as are the weightings, and consequently produce different results.

    you say it is useless, but why would you say the guardian's is useless but not the Times' or the Independent's?
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    Re: Guardian League Table
    All University rankings are arbitary. You can't catergorically say X uni is better than Y uni because it's ranked higher on some dumb ass league table. League table use a few static stats to work out a position. There is so much more to universities that the league tables don't even consider. At the end of the day university ranking is down to ones own perception of it - there is no right or wrong answer. If someone thinks that Trent is better than Southampton for Maths then so be it - as long as they can provide some valid justification be that employment rate, student satisfaction score or whatever.
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    Re: Guardian League Table
    Out of all the League Tables Guardians is the probaly the worst. Use the others and at the same time take other things into consideration like accomodation, demographics when picking a uni.
    Last edited by Prepare-Yourself; 26-12-2011 at 20:58. Reason: Why the Neg? Retard.
  9. adobe's Avatar
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    Re: Guardian League Table
    the guardians league table is as retarded as the newspaper, not suprising really is it?
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    Re: Guardian League Table
    (Original post by FDR)
    It's rankings aren't "out" at all - they are based on the same information as other league tables, but given different weightings, as well as the value added score. So the rankings aren't just incorrect because they go against your perceptions of where universities should rank, the criteria used are a little different to other tables, as are the weightings, and consequently produce different results.

    you say it is useless, but why would you say the guardian's is useless but not the Times' or the Independent's?
    have you SEEN the criteria used for the guardians league table?!?!
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    Re: Guardian League Table
    you say it is useless, but why would you say the guardian's is useless but not the Times' or the Independent's?[/QUOTE]

    Ok, but would you really choose to go to Northumbria or Central Lancashire for a maths degree over Imperial, Durham or Bristol? I think the answer to that is no...
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    Re: The bumper thread of University League Tables discussion - includes an info post
    Erm excuse me but I did...
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    Rank of these five universities?
    I have offers from these 5 institutions. I just wondered how they would rank in terms of overall prestige (league tables etc). I'm not a snob, but i do think that if it ranks well in league tables, it may aid my employment afterwards.

    Leicester
    Queen Mary
    Royal Holloway
    Sheffield
    Sussex

    Thanks in advance
  14. TheUbermensche's Avatar
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    Re: Rank of these five universities?
    (Original post by swbp)
    I have offers from these 5 institutions. I just wondered how they would rank in terms of overall prestige (league tables etc). I'm not a snob, but i do think that if it ranks well in league tables, it may aid my employment afterwards.

    Leicester
    Queen Mary
    Royal Holloway
    Sheffield
    Sussex

    Thanks in advance
    I rank universities as per their jobmarket reputation and their 'prestige'.
    I would rank the following as such :

    1)Sussex
    2)Leicester
    3)Sheffield
    4)Royal Holloway
    5)Queen Mary

    Sussex in particular gets their graduates into the top companies. Queen Mary is only good for architecture.
  15. ZAYZAY_27's Avatar
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    Re: Rank of these five universities?
    depends.. what course have you applied for?
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    Re: Rank of these five universities?
    (Original post by swbp)
    I have offers from these 5 institutions. I just wondered how they would rank in terms of overall prestige (league tables etc). I'm not a snob, but i do think that if it ranks well in league tables, it may aid my employment afterwards.

    Leicester
    Queen Mary
    Royal Holloway
    Sheffield
    Sussex

    Thanks in advance
    what subject
  17. Elbonian's Avatar
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    Re: Rank of these five universities?
    I think the differences between each is negligible. But if you insist...

    1)Sheffield
    2)QMUL
    3)Leicester
    4)Royal Holloway
    5)Sussex
  18. Democracy's Avatar
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    Re: Rank of these five universities?
    (Original post by TheUbermensche)
    Sussex in particular gets their graduates into the top companies. Queen Mary is only good for architecture.
    QMUL doesn't even offer an architecture degree, what are you on? :confused:
  19. swbp's Avatar
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    Re: Rank of these five universities?
    I've applied for BA Geography (Human geography basically) but i'm looking more at overall rank.
  20. TheUbermensche's Avatar
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    Re: Rank of these five universities?
    (Original post by Democracy)
    QMUL doesn't even offer an architecture degree, what are you on? :confused:
    Sorry, I must have been thinking about UCL!
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