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    (Original post by Do4Rubi)
    St. Andrews, Durham, King's College London, U of Bath, Edinburgh U.
    St Andrews> King's>> Edinburgh>>>>>>>>Durham/Bath
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    (Original post by Tsunami2011)
    St Andrews> King's>> Edinburgh>>>>>>>>Durham/Bath
    Pretty accurate. Its interesting that in domestic terms though, Durham>>Bath>>>>St Andrews>>>Edinburgh>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>Kings
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    (Original post by Do4Rubi)
    St. Andrews, Durham, King's College London, U of Bath, Edinburgh U.
    Ignore tha crap the 2 above put up there.

    Based on international prestige, the order is:

    Edinburgh/King's College London >>>> Durham/St Andrews >> Bath
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    Domestically, they are all in the same bracket. That is the bracket behind the G5, maybe even only behind the Top 4 (i.e. G5 minus UCL).
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    (Original post by LutherVan)
    Ignore tha crap the 2 above put up there.

    Based on international prestige, the order is:

    Edinburgh/King's College London >>>> Durham/St Andrews >> Bath
    King's is not more prestigious than St Andrews in the states fo'sure. Get real bro.
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    (Original post by Tsunami2011)
    King's is not more prestigious than St Andrews in the states fo'sure. Get real bro.
    I take it you are American?

    You will be shocked to know the world continues beyond Vermont in the East, California in the West, Canada in the North and Mexico in the South.

    So when we say international, we don't stop at USA.
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    (Original post by LutherVan)
    Domestically, they are all in the same bracket. That is the bracket behind the G5, maybe even only behind the Top 4 (i.e. G5 minus UCL).
    No they're not. I don't know anyone who would seriously consider going to those uni instead of UCL if they had the choice.

    That's just typical TSR speculation. When people actually have to make the final choice on UCAS, they suddenly get real.

    Besides there's a reason why the group is called the G5 and not the G4 and I doubt you're better informed than the people who coined the term.
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    (Original post by Frenchous)
    No they're not. I don't know anyone who would seriously consider going to those uni instead of UCL if they had the choice.

    That's just typical TSR speculation. When people actually have to make the final choice on UCAS, they suddenly get real.

    Besides there's a reason why the group is called the G5 and not the G4 and I doubt you're better informed than the people who coined the term.
    You are right but that opinion is based on the decision of uninformed youths worshipping league tables.

    In the real world, among people that hire, there is hardly any difference between UCL and Edinburgh, King's College London, Durham, St Andrews, Bath, Warwick and other top unis.

    That might be changing as the international league table become more prominent, UCL continue to maintain high positions and the table-worshipping youths grow older.

    The group is called G5 only in some certain newspapers. That term has had no relevance in industry and job applications so far. Just like the Golden Triangle doesn't.

    In industry, it is one of the following:

    - Oxbridge
    - Oxbridge and LSE
    - Oxbridge, LSE and Imperial
    - Redbrick

    Only exceptions are:

    In IB we have recently seen:
    - Oxbridge, LSE, Imperial, UCL and Warwick.

    In Healthcare:
    - Oxbridge, Imperial, UCL and KCL

    In Law, in the UK, the Law firms have made good strides to eliminate elitism but internationally, it is marginally:
    - Oxbridge, LSE, UCL and KCL

    There is nothing like G5 advantage in industry.
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    (Original post by LutherVan)

    In industry, it is one of the following:

    - Oxbridge
    - Oxbridge and LSE Imperial
    - Oxbridge, LSE and Imperial
    - Redbrick
    Explanation: The spectrum of jobs accessible with Imperial is larger
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    (Original post by Theophile)
    Explanation: The spectrum of jobs accessible with Imperial is larger
    I am not interested in spectrum of jobs accessible, otherwise Manchester would be far up there.

    I am giving you the traditional elitist restrictions placed on some desirable job adverts. It is normally "Only Oxbridge + LSE graduate applicants will be considered" being the 2nd smallest grouping after Oxbridge only. I am yet to see Oxbridge + Imperial where LSE is excluded.

    There is Oxbridge, LSE and Imperial only elitism. I am yet to see any saying G5. Anytime UCL is listed in some elite list, some other non-G5 top uni is also listed.
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    (Original post by LutherVan)
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    For recruiting there isn't a big difference in the UK bar some sectors (as you said) which are more elitists. However UCL's international reputation is clearly better. But let's just leave the recruiting issue aside because that's not what the G5 is about.

    What makes UCL different is research. And for that matter there's a big gap between UCL and the other mentioned unis. Also, UCL has more political clout due to higher budget and greater international reputation. When the prime minister goes to the middle east to get funding for universities he takes the G5 with him.
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    League tables don't mean much. Employers know where's good, realistically you're looking at; Oxbridge, LSE, Imperial, Durham, Warwick, Manchester, Bristol, UCL, Lancaster, St Andrews there are a few more. They won't look at the league tables to know or care if you've just dropped 2 places in the Guardian. And like others have said some will only look at Oxbridge, or G5.
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    (Original post by Frenchous)
    For recruiting there isn't a big difference in the UK bar some sectors (as you said) which are more elitists. However UCL's international reputation is clearly better. But let's just leave the recruiting issue aside because that's not what the G5 is about.

    What makes UCL different is research. And for that matter there's a big gap between UCL and the other mentioned unis. Also, UCL has more political clout due to higher budget and greater international reputation. When the prime minister goes to the middle east to get funding for universities he takes the G5 with him.
    Off course UCL's international reputation is better.

    But internationally, I would just still say UCL's reputation is still a bridge between the Top 3 and Edinburgh, KCL, Manchester and Bristol.

    Oxbridge have the best international reputation, followed by LSE. Imperial is in the same bridge area as UCL.
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    Remember when UCL was supposedly the 4th best university in the world?
    That alone should tell you everything you need to know about the QS world university rankings.
    It's total garbage and an insult to the intelligence.
    UCL, some average UK university; better than the likes of MIT, Princeton, Oxford, Imperial college, Caltech, Columbia... etc? Don't make me laugh.
    Then you have other anomalies like McGill ranking higher than both Toronto and UBC.
    They should just give up and throw it all into the fire.
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    Only if it places their university in a good light.
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    I don't take any rankings seriously. Western unis are probably all overrated, but american unis are most def better than UK ones. Fact
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    Only rich people would as they are the only ones who can afford to go abroad, otherwise its Oxbridge only. That's not to say, however, once we graduate, we cannot return to uni in say 20 years time and graduate either in Yale or Tokyo for example.
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    (Original post by Onewingedangel)
    UCL, some average UK university
    No.
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    the QS world university rankings is not reliable at all. Oxbridge were included in a list of the best universities for accounting and finance.... they don't offer accounting and finance -_-
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    (Original post by Sharri5)
    I don't take any rankings seriously. Western unis are probably all overrated, but american unis are most def better than UK ones. Fact
    Certainly for Undergraduate level, UK universities are renowned around the world as being leaders in this field. Perhaps for postgraduate, the US certainly leads the way however.

    Britain does well when you consider the billions American universities receive.

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