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The bumper thread of University League Tables discussion - includes an info post

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    (Original post by Asboob)
    Imperial are above Warwick for Maths?! Dunno how to feel about that
    Fine, you have an offer from Cambridge.
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    I'm chuffed that Durham's 5th
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    The biggest surprise here is people still actually read these retarded rankings.
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    St. Andrews is above Imperial for Physics!

    This just makes my decision even harder... :emo:
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    Queen Mary's number 6 out of 30 for Medicine - doesn't sound right :hmmm: :holmes:
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    (Original post by Jack McGill)
    Fine, you have an offer from Cambridge.
    Ha , I just thought Warwick was meant to be almost good enough to rival Oxford maths...although I could be wrong seeing as I didn't look into it very far after realising it was in the middle of nowhere
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    (Original post by Asboob)
    Ha , I just thought Warwick was meant to be almost good enough to rival Oxford maths...although I could be wrong seeing as I didn't look into it very far after realising it was in the middle of nowhere
    Actually it's even worse, it's near Coventry
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    http://www.thecompleteuniversityguid...ables/rankings

    The Top 20:

    1. Cambridge
    2. Oxford
    3. Imperial
    4. LSE
    5. Durham
    6. St Andrews
    7. UCL
    8. Warwick
    9. Lancaster
    10. Bath
    11. Bristol
    12. York
    13. Edinburgh
    14. Southampton
    15. Exeter
    16. KCL
    17. Nottingham
    18. SOAS
    19. Loughborough
    20. Sussex


    There don't seem to be huge differences from last year, although a few have managed to break into the top 10 that weren't there last year (e.g. Bath).

    Thoughts?
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    wtf? how can imperial be ahead of warwick for maths? omg, i specifically picked warwick because i though they were 'oxbridge' standard for maths... FML!
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    Exeter has made the biggest jump out of all of them :O
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    (Original post by SPMS)
    About right apart from Lancaster?
    What do you mean apart from Lancaster? This is the second year Lancaster has been top ten in that league table. Just because it's not one of the older, big city-based universities doesn't diminish its quality.
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    (Original post by I smell like maths)
    wtf? how can imperial be ahead of warwick for maths? omg, i specifically picked warwick because i though they were 'oxbridge' standard for maths... FML!
    Imperial is pretty much always 3rd in the League Tables after Oxford and Cambridge; it's the Big Daddy of science subjects in the U.K. It'll be that high for pretty much all the subjects it offers, I imagine. Don't worry, though; no one is going to look down on Warwick for maths, even if somewhere like Imperial might be a place higher. It's an incredibly prestigious university and you did very well to get in. If you liked the course and the uni then you made the right decision.
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    (Original post by LadyRowena)
    Imperial is pretty much always 3rd in the League Tables after Oxford and Cambridge; it's the Big Daddy of science subjects in the U.K. It'll be that high for pretty much all the subjects it offers, I imagine. Don't worry, though; no one is going to look down on Warwick for maths, even if somewhere like Imperial might be a place higher. It's an incredibly prestigious university and you did very well to get in. If you liked the course and the uni then you made the right decision.
    i know i know, but im still shocked since warwick requires STEP for entrance, that means the average quality of candidates are better?... i still think warwick is better for maths... imperial looks as if its gotten 3rd by reputation rather than the actual quality of its department...

    oh well, theres always postgraduate at oxbridge, that'll show imperial xD
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    (Original post by I smell like maths)
    i know i know, but im still shocked since warwick requires STEP for entrance, that means the average quality of candidates are better?... i still think warwick is better for maths... imperial looks as if its gotten 3rd by reputation rather than the actual quality of its department...

    oh well, theres always postgraduate at oxbridge, that'll show imperial xD
    Imperial is a very good university, why do you think them being ranked highly is unlikely? You seem like you don't actually know that much about it..

    (Also, Oxford doesn't require STEP does that make their candidates lower quality? )
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    (Original post by ultimate mashup)
    The Independent's 2012 Complete University Guide has just been made available on their website.

    http://www.thecompleteuniversityguid...ables/rankings

    So are there any surprises or was it just what you expected?
    As per this -

    (Original post by ultimate mashup)
    Top 20 = Excellent
    Top 30 = Good
    30 - 60 = OK/Average - room 4 improvement
    60 - 70 = Below Average - not great
    Less than 70 = *****
    ..oh no, Manchester is suddenly good instead of okay :P

    I think League tables are made to humour the folks on TSR :P
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    (Original post by Mithra)
    Imperial is a very good university, why do you think them being ranked highly is unlikely? You seem like you don't actually know that much about it..

    (Also, Oxford doesn't require STEP does that make their candidates lower quality? )
    i know imperial is a very good university
    i didn't say it was unlikely.... im saying that their maths department isn't as good as warwicks so it deserves fourth.

    for cambridge you need STEP + interview
    oxford have their own entrance exam + interview
    warwick you need STEP
    imperial you don't need anything, just A's in every module (easier than STEP i can assure you)... they have an interview, but it isn't nearly as intense as an oxbridge one... (a few mates of mine told me they only ask a few relatively basic questions)
    therefore the quality of warwick candidates are better than imperials

    actually its clear you don't know much about it.

    this university table is well off anyway.... if you look further down the list it places nottingham above UCL for mathematics.. something to lol at.

    warwick > imperial for mathematics IMO.

    imperial is however better for all other departments.. (except law & finance)
    imperial has gotten third (on a bullcrap league table) by name in this case

    disagree all you like.. :rolleyes:
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    (Original post by I smell like maths)
    i know imperial is a very good university
    i didn't say it was unlikely.... im saying that their maths department isn't as good as warwicks so it deserves fourth.

    for cambridge you need STEP + interview
    oxford have their own entrance exam + interview
    warwick you need STEP
    imperial you don't need anything, just A's in every module (easier than STEP i can assure you)... they have an interview, but it isn't nearly as intense as an oxbridge one... (a few mates of mine told me they only ask a few relatively basic questions)
    therefore the quality of warwick candidates are better than imperials

    actually its clear you don't know much about it.

    this university table is well off anyway.... if you look further down the list it places nottingham above UCL for mathematics.. something to lol at.

    warwick > imperial for mathematics IMO.

    imperial is however better for all other departments.. (except law & finance)
    imperial has gotten third (on a bullcrap league table) by name in this case

    disagree all you like.. :rolleyes:
    I can disagree all I like because I'm right and you're wrong :p:. There's a reason people refer to 'COWI', all four are very good, with differences between them fairly small. I don't know why you have decided Warwick is so much better than Imperial, you've even bolded that it is only your opinion so I'm not quite sure why you are so offended by a league table putting Imperial above it.

    As always anyway, with the weightings and statistics they have chosen that is what comes out, you cannot 'disagree' with it logically. They haven't arbitrarily decided it 'by name' whatever that means.

    Why does the method of choosing people to accept define quality of department or course anyway?
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    (Original post by Mithra)
    I can disagree all I like because I'm right and you're wrong :p:. There's a reason people refer to 'COWI', all four are very good, with differences between them fairly small. I don't know why you have decided Warwick is so much better than Imperial, you've even bolded that it is only your opinion so I'm not quite sure why you are so offended by a league table putting Imperial above it.

    As always anyway, with the weightings and statistics they have chosen that is what comes out, you cannot 'disagree' with it logically. They haven't arbitrarily decided it 'by name' whatever that means.

    Why does the method of choosing people to accept define quality of department or course anyway?
    i underlined 'IMO' because, guess what.. its my opinion... im going there next year and i felt like backing my university for my subject, maths..

    the best courses are oversubscribed... therefore higher entry requirements..
    thats how it usually works

    i may have come across strongly in my first post, but what im trying to say is that if imperial had the same 'name/reputation' as warwick, all their maths candidates would pick warwick over them, no candidates = crappier department

    yeah you're right though, COWI owns... its like arguing that oxford is better in general than cambridge.. no-one wins

    oxbridge have the edge on imperial and warwick for maths... for the time being

    but still, to cap off... i prefer warwick and others don't

    P.S: this league table has to be rubbish... nottingham CANNOT be better than UCL for maths, right? where did they pull that one out from?
    and why is KCL so low for maths? lol
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    Does anybody know when the 2012 Times university table is published?
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    (Original post by I smell like maths)
    P.S: this league table has to be rubbish... nottingham CANNOT be better than UCL for maths, right? where did they pull that one out from?
    and why is KCL so low for maths? lol
    It's not necessarily rubbish; it's probably something to do with what it's measuring.

    One of the reasons UCL scores incredibly highly in league tables is its huge research budget (I've seen it score higher than Oxford in some international tables purely for its research). This league table may not be putting the same emphasis on research as other tables. This league table puts more emphasis on student satisfaction so that's probably what has brought Nottingham up very high; everyone I know who's there hasn't got a bad word to say about it.

    Or maybe Nottingham are just really good for maths?

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