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    The Democrats are already soul searching for a Presidential candidate for 2008. Hillary Clinton is an early favourite but do you guys think that's necessarily a good idea? I thought Bill Clinton was generally a good President and Hillary would in my view also be very good but there are clear disadvantges. The Republicans are already digging up all the controversies over Whitewater and various other Republican created scandals. Bill Clinton himself could be a double edged sword; whilst remaining a popular figure he has political baggage. It would be a big step forward for America to finally elect a female president, but is she electable?
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    Maybe Condoleeza Rice will get the job, America can have their first black, female, neo-con president
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    (Original post by naivesincerity)
    Maybe Condoleeza Rice will get the job, America can have their first black, female, neo-con president
    Although I've got respect for Condoleezza Rice, I hope not. I want a democrat back in the white house!
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    (Original post by naivesincerity)
    Maybe Condoleeza Rice will get the job, America can have their first black, female, neo-con president
    While I'd love to see a Hillary Clonton vs Condolezza Rice race for the White House, when I was invlved in a discussion about this subject a few weeks ago I was told that Ms Rice had ruled out running for Presidnet in 2008.

    Maybe things will change before then, but who knows? Maybe the Republicans are thinking that 2008 is lost already (perhaps it is??!) and they actually want Condi Rice to runa dn win, so are asking her to wait until 2012....who knows...
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    (Original post by Blur303)
    The Democrats are already soul searching for a Presidential candidate for 2008. Hillary Clinton is an early favourite but do you guys think that's necessarily a good idea? I thought Bill Clinton was generally a good President and Hillary would in my view also be very good but there are clear disadvantges. The Republicans are already digging up all the controversies over Whitewater and various other Republican created scandals. Bill Clinton himself could be a double edged sword; whilst remaining a popular figure he has political baggage. It would be a big step forward for America to finally elect a female president, but is she electable?
    Judging whether or not she would make a good president as a person is totally different from if you judge her with Bill Clinton in mind! My personal view is that she'd make an excellent president: I think she'd inject some vitality into the position, and having read her autobiography, I was genuinely impressed with her stance over certain issues and her attitude in the face of many of her personal turmoils. That aside, I also think that having a female president would be excellent!

    But, having had a husband as a past president will undoubtedly bring baggage, and its unsurprising that the Republicans are already digging. But the majority of Presidents, if not all of them, have had 'political baggage', and I'm sure the Democrats will be equally ruthless in their campaign at staining their eventual opponent's reputation!

    One thing's for sure though, the 2008 presidency race will be so much more exciting than the one in 2004....
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    Actually, word on the street is that Condoleeza Rice is playing hard to get. She secretly wants the job, but she doesn't want to appear eager for it, instead counting on people to beg her to run. Though, honestly, a ticket with a female as the V.P. will probably have to make it before a woman will be elected president.
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    As much as I hate to say it, I doubt any woman has a chance of making it for office so soon If it's going to happen - she'll have to begin as a vp candidate first - as previously mentionned.

    However, in the tiny chance that a female is elected, if anyone, it's going to be Clinton. Condoleeza Rice is hardly believable - the Republicans barely held on to winning this past election - and she did little to help with such statements:

    CLAIM: "No al Qaeda plan was turned over to the new administration." – National Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice, 3/22/04
    FACT: "On January 25th, 2001, Clarke forwarded his December 2000 strategy paper and a copy of his 1998 Delenda plan to the new national security adviser, Condoleezza Rice." – 9/11 Commission staff report, 3/24/04

    this is all continued on http://www.americanprogress.org/site...RJ8OVF&b=40520
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    Rice will never win the Republican primary, as she's not conservative enough, and most of the voters during the Republican primary are extreme conservatives. Clinton shouldn't have this problem since a vast majority of Democrats support her; this includes the far left (in American politics, which isn't far left in European politics). Democrats only get 40% of the male vote anyway, so having a woman run isn't going to lose them any votes. I'm not going to speculate on whether she can win or not, but it's pretty safe to assume that she's not going to lose because she's a woman. If she loses, it will be because America doesn't want a left winger-turned-centrist wife of an ex-President.

    (Original post by Gwenyth!)
    CLAIM: "No al Qaeda plan was turned over to the new administration." – National Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice, 3/22/04
    FACT: "On January 25th, 2001, Clarke forwarded his December 2000 strategy paper and a copy of his 1998 Delenda plan to the new national security adviser, Condoleezza Rice." – 9/11 Commission staff report, 3/24/04
    Politicians lie? :eek:
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    (Original post by Bismarck)
    Rice will never win the Republican primary, as she's not conservative enough, and most of the voters during the Republican primary are extreme conservatives. Clinton shouldn't have this problem since a vast majority of Democrats support her; this includes the far left (in American politics, which isn't far left in European politics). Democrats only get 40% of the male vote anyway, so having a woman run isn't going to lose them any votes. I'm not going to speculate on whether she can win or not, but it's pretty safe to assume that she's not going to lose because she's a woman. If she loses, it will be because America doesn't want a left winger-turned-centrist wife of an ex-President.

    Politicians lie? :eek:

    hehe, i know - i'm still in shock :eek:


    my bets on 2008 (although still very early) are Bill Frist - Senate Majority Leader and of course (from your hometown :p: ) Rudy Giuliani. Both are Republicans, so that should be interesting to watch.
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    (Original post by Gwenyth!)
    hehe, i know - i'm still in shock :eek:


    my bets on 2008 (although still very early) are Bill Frist - Senate Majority Leader and of course (from your hometown :p: ) Rudy Giuliani. Both are Republicans, so that should be interesting to watch.
    Giuliani will probably lose for the same reason Rice would lose: he's not conservative enough. Frist is a wanna-be extreme conservative, which might get him through the primaries. I wouldn't rule out another Bush running for President either. My bet is on some governor we've never heard of before (again).
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    Then again, there are rumours of Howard Dean and John Edwards resurrecting their old power. Edwards has more of a chance, but I doubt either will hold strong.
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    (Original post by Gwenyth!)
    Then again, there are rumours of Howard Dean and John Edwards resurrecting their old power. Edwards has more of a chance, but I doubt either will hold strong.
    Edwards is a semi-socialist idiot who has nothing going for him other than his charisma; he was even on the verge of losing his Senate seat, which is probably the main reason he ran for vice-President. He no longer has a political position, which would make it rather hard for him to kick off his campaign. Dean is hated by all but the most extreme leftists, which might very well get him through the primary, but would probably lead to him losing all 50 states in the general election. He's doing a miserable job as chairman of the Democratic party (according to most non-extreme Democrats) and only gets in the news when he makes an idiotic statement. Someone like Governor Richardson of Arizona or some other Democratic governor in the south (they're a dying breed, I know) would have the best chance of winning the general election (from the Democratic side). Clinton has a chance of winning, unless the Republicans are once again able to turn out the Christian fundy vote.
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    McCain McCain McCain... all the way
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    (Original post by Lawz-)
    McCain McCain McCain... all the way
    Read comment about Rice and Giuliani.
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    You're starting with the da thing again....
    It's just interesting that they believe they have a chance at something that's beyond their grasp. After Dean's cock-up in the primaries - the runt of all Jay Leno jokes - he can barely emerge into public life without looking silly. But Edwards on the other hand appeals to the 'American mum and dad' swing voters rocking between republican conservatism, protecting 'good ol values' and free-thinking democrats. Politically, you're right, he doesn't stand a chance - but he settles into the heart of voters.

    Realistically, we're looking at Frist, Giuliani, and a few surprise 'Kerry-esque' candidates...and yes, McCain (as much as I'd like it, Clinton has little chance)
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    (Original post by Bismarck)
    Read comment about Rice and Giuliani.
    It was more a statement of my preference than a notion of what could happen!
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    McCain is a wonderful and increidble man ... I met him recently and have never been more impressed with a politician. His integrity courage and general honesty is something that political office lacks..
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    Out of curiosity, you're legally an American adult - who'd you vote for?

    (I realise this is confidential, so don't answer if you're not up for it)
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    (Original post by Lawz-)
    McCain is a wonderful and increidble man ... I met him recently and have never been more impressed with a politician. His integrity courage and general honesty is something that political office lacks..
    Me and my questions :rolleyes: - how did you meet him?
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    (Original post by Gwenyth!)
    Me and my questions :rolleyes: - how did you meet him?
    He came to give a talk at the Oxford Union... I have some navy friends so we got to speak to him at the end, and I got to ask him some questions during the debate.
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